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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 12:33 PM CDT
The main difference I've noticed in the "bombing" recently is that it seems, at least to me, to have gone from carpet bombing to more strategic attacks. The "1" bombing has been gone, the "5" bombing seems to have slacked off and we've moved on to "7" bombing, which is very hard to determine if it's truly bombing or if it's just someone who has a difference of opinion with the other voters. I tend to believe it's bombing when you have an average of say 9.25 with half a dozen or more votes, none lover than a 9 and you suddenly receive one or more votes of straight 7s.
I watched a few weeks ago as the top 7 or 8 songs on the ratings pick were hit with votes of straight 7s, with the glaring exception of one tune which, lo and behold, became the top song on the chart. Hmmmm..... (For full disclosure, I didn't have a dog in the fight, but I believe Drak did.) I still vote, I still like to have people vote on my tunes and I still get frustrated at bombings, voting inequities and vote inflation, (the first song I ever had to top the ratings picks did so with an 8. The first song I ever had on the charts was a low 7.) but I don't get as bent out of shape about it as I used to. When you have a system like we have here at MJ, there are going to be jerks who take advantage of it. You're going to have people who will set up extra accounts so they can vote on their own songs or vote low on other songs to manipulate their positions in the ratings. That's just all part of it. It's not the best system, it's not the worst and I think, put together with everything else MJ has to offer, it works. At least for me. If it makes it any easier, just think about this quote: "People are like big children, hurting others without thinking. Being angry with these fools is like being angry with fire because it burns." |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 12:37 PM CDT
Joe ...how a band or a musician can be found with out being on a list ? believe me I heard bands so awesome and so talented and top professionals no one give them a note ..or maybe a lil 'bomb' «Blues is easy to play, but not to feel » (Jimi Hendrix) |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 01:09 PM CDT
I'd dispute that "careful". I once tried to leave a low score on a song that was getting high scores (probably because of of its lyrics) because the guy was singing miles out of tune, and my score was deleted. And you know that I'm not malicious. My guess is that the voting mechanism simply looks at "is this out of line with other scores for this song" rather than that it has any consideration for overall reliability of the scorer. Victor. -- My CD. Use coupon code "macjams" on BandCamp. |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 01:12 PM CDT
Participating in the Forum discussions and *Shout-Outs* in the Forums, alerting folks to new or undiscovered talents seems to work pretty well here. If you're talking about getting notice in the *Real World*... that's far more complicated... Lots of continual hard work involved on that *stage*. Primarily, playing out, building a following, marketing... more marketing and... more marketing. Where most people err is in thinking one big marketing *splash* will advance their careers. It doesn't work that way. Successful marketing involves an ongoing effort... lots of hard work.  --- Joe MY LATEST: My take on the classic House Of The... Rising Sun |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 02:12 PM CDT
If I remember correctly, you're right about it eliminating votes that are "out of line" with others. If you have five votes of 9s and 10s and someone comes along and votes 5s, it may drop the 5s. Again, I remember it being discussed when it was put into place, but I don't remember how it works or even in the admins said exactly how it worked. And I don't remember if it works the opposite way. If you've got all 4s and 5s (and does anyone even get 4s and 5s andy more?) and someone comes along and votes all 10s, does it drop that? |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 02:35 PM CDT
Wow we are back here again.. About a year ago when I first started posting this happened to me well the whole bomb thread started and I pulled my song some words were exchanged Well look up my song bomb thread and see the responses it was a funny expereince! You cant let it bother you I am one to not use the voting system. From all that happened with me some othere artist have done the same, they just leave out the voting. I find comments to be more constructive. Its not a contest just a place to share music and have an exchange of Ideas. That is what makes MJ's great!
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 02:48 PM CDT
Great idea Tom, except that we would be copying iComp on the 5 star system. I don't really think it's the system as much as it is lame voters (people who either don't give a rats fanny , couldn't carry a tune in a bucket or merely get off on being A-holes) It's people man and it takes all kinds. Unfortunately, sometimes that's unfortunate ;-P If a MJ'er has a vote box enabled, I will vote using the best of my ability to be fair and impartial utilizing my experience as a fellow musician. However, I choose not to enable the V-box on my own songs, not merely because I think it's a bunch of horse sh*t, but also because I get butt hurt pretty easily and wear my heart on my shirt sleeve. This topic has been thoroughly run into the ground! Basically within the shell of a nut, If you don't want to get burnt, stay out of the fire!   Ax *Soon to be updated* {I'm here for the "M-U-S-I-C" not the "F-O-R-U-M"} With all this great music, how does one score'um? 
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 05:14 PM CDT
Normally, I'd not bother replying on the thread of voting anymore, but your comment made me chuckle. I've always found the voting guidelines to be silly in and of themselves. Who of us mortals is truly qualified to say (in any authoritative voice) that a song is really "Exceptional" or "Grand Artistry" or "Groundbreaking"? "One man's trash is another man's treasure" in this little internet world of MacJams. And why not, in a community of beginners/hobbyists/enthusiasts/professionals that freely shares music and ideas? I've come to accept that the ratings system as a purely subjective criteria-- Something along these lines: 10= I-really-freakin'-dig-this-song! 9=I really dig this song 8= This song is cool! 7= Decent song, dude/dudette... 6= Ok. It's a good song 5 = "I don't believe in giving out numbers higher than a 5 to most songs, anyway..." 4=Dude! Who gave this song a 10? I'm going to even out the average a little 3=What am I listening to? 2=2's not that bad...It's not quite a bomb, right? 1=Oh. 10 is the highest? I thought 1 was the top vote. I disable voting on most of my songs now, 'cause I figure after 4 years of vocal juries in college, I've had my share of 'grading' where music's concerned  |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 05:56 PM CDT
rob, you are really beginning to tire me.
yeah, this has all been discussed before, but does it make it any less relevant to people who are experiencing it for the first time? and let us all be real here; we all put a ton of time, emotion and energy into every note we sing, compose play and mix. to think we are all prolific songwriters of rob's category would be silly. i am nowhere near rob's overwhelming talent, but i do hate it when i put all i have on the line, and someone who either dislikes me or dislikes themself has to bomb my music, and rip into my style of playing, writing etc... now we cannot all be rob, with his million dollar studio, and his crew of studio musicians on standby, ready to release the next big thing, but we can all agree that everyone's voice has relevance, regardless of talent, or musical style. we can agree that everyone's voice rings with relevancy to someone, even if it is not us it rings for. music is being taken away from our youth at a devastating rate. it is being phased out of american schools and replaced with acounting and customer service training. to bomb creativity out of jealousy or because you personally dont like someone places you in the same category as those who would get rid of music in schools and leave the creativity to a chosen few, rather than everyone! we can agree that arrogance toward another person is simply a lack of stability in that person's own emotional makeup. ratings are flawed, but so is the human condition. if we all possessed rob's genius and hit writing musical ability, there would be no need for a site such as macjams to hone and refine our craft amongst others who love music as equally as we do ourselves. if you want to be smart and funny at the same time, rob, do it the right way and have a little respect for others around you. |
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Re:voting sabotage
Sunday, September 23 2007 @ 05:58 PM CDT
Clever !! «Blues is easy to play, but not to feel » (Jimi Hendrix) |
