Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Friday, June 22 2012 @ 09:21 PM CDT

My fault.

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Friday, June 22 2012 @ 09:32 PM CDT

Quote by: crissew Quote by: davisamerica Quote by: SmokeyVW add something like this to your Song Description: "constructive feedback requested" or such other possibilities include deleting comments on your music that you consider vacuous ...wow... too simple ?? Thanks VW .... (a comment from a reluctant clique member ).... i suppose.... To me, deleting comments would be pretty rude even if I considered them "vacuous". I understand the desire to build everyone up and support one's friends. That comes at a price though. Good comments have little meaning once you catch onto the fact that everyone gets them for any song. Even the anonymous number rating system seems corrupted. I find myself less excited to read comments because of it. Maybe it is just my masochistic side.

yeah, i agree, deleting comments goes too far... bad idea.

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Friday, June 22 2012 @ 09:56 PM CDT

maybe the Woodstock challenge idea will bring out some participation

also i saw a CBGB challenge idea proposed

these challenges could revitalize things here, at least briefly

my initial post was just to show real data that supports a comment that things seem to have slowed down here. it's not the first time this suspicion has been discussed. MJ really was much more active a couple of years ago

my theory about the downturn is that it's not so much about the culture here, but rather that there are many more internet distractions nowadays, like Facebook or Minecraft(!), and also, as has been said, the economy has reduced leisure time for many folks previously active here, or the ability to afford internet access/computers/studio equipment. i am hopeful that will turn around in the future

as Karen pointed out, each one of us is here for our own reasons. and i think you get out of this site what you put into it

the whole "clique" thing is probably true, but so what? that's just human nature. to me, that demonstrates that MJ is a rich social environment, not some artificial over-constrained wasteland. we don't all have to get along with everyone here, or have to interact with everyone. sounds like real-life to me...

personally, i've been busy doing other things that have consumed my "music cycles" and reduced my song submission rate here, and my participation level. i've been doing things like getting professional voice lessons (and practicing), and writing music for movie projects. and some music software projects that kinda went down a blackhole. those have certainly cut back my MJ activity quite a bit.

party on dudes
be excellent to each other

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 07:17 AM CDT

Quote by: egobandit Quote by: lavalamp Quote by: crissew I hesitate to even say this because I know the dedicated MJ members here may take offense but what the hay. I think it has become a back slapper website for musicians. No matter what song is posted, it is reviewed like it is a classic. While it feels great initially, it gets pointless after a while. I do get the desire to give positive reinforcement, but it becomes meaningless when everyone gets kudos regardless of what they post. Just my 2 cents. I appreciate VicDiesel critiquing my mix or some aspect of my song 100 times more than someone going "great job". This site has become "you give me a good comment and I will give you a good comment". Not very validating once people catch on to it. I may be completely off base, sorry in advance. I know the MJ militia is coming for me now, I am braced for impact. It's undeniable what crissew mentioned. Also, nothing really happens to the songs after a week or so. They're lost in oblivion. A lot of you are concerned about technical issues, but I'm more concerned about the content. My older songs are better that my newer ones, but the production might be a bit better. Maybe a macjams make-over is in order? Maybe a little change? Bringing back some old members, but how? I don't know. LL Hey Lava your right, but I dont think your songs are lost in oblivion, they are there for anyone who passes through to hear. Some of my older songs I find have over a hundred downloads and for some reason it seems allot of my older songs are listened to recently . I think your looking for comments on your old ones and that it seems is very unlikely . Sometimes I listen to older songs on here from MJ members but I dont leave comments because most of time I have already left a comment, IM babbling anyway just because there isnt a comment does not mean it is not being listened to

I don't know, man. Who exactly is downloading them? I mean, I also see some of my songs have 100's of downloads. Is it really MJer's? Or is it some guy in an little office somewhere in China and other lands whose job it is to get every source of music possible on the net for its potential value, hoping one of a thousand pan out to be something and then steal the rights? lol

I would love it to be true, but I don't believe hundreds of "people" have really downloaded my songs. Maybe it's just some sort of automated system after all.

LL

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 07:34 AM CDT

Quote by: lavalamp I don't know, man. Who exactly is downloading them? I mean, I also see some of my songs have 100's of downloads. Is it really MJer's? Or is it some guy in an little office somewhere in China and other lands whose job it is to get every source of music possible on the net for its potential value, hoping one of a thousand pan out to be something and then steal the rights? lol I would love it to be true, but I don't believe hundreds of "people" have really downloaded my songs. Maybe it's just some sort of automated system after all. LL

Dave,
Right now while I type this there are 65 visitors here. I check in to Mj several times a day. I'm fortunate to have consistent internet access at home and work. I've seen that visitor numbers often range between 50 and 100. I also looked back at some of your earlier tracks and saw what Tim did (recent plays and near or more than 100 downloads). Why is it so hard to believe visitors are finding your music, enjoying it, and choosing to download? I know I myself have downloaded several of your songs.

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 08:36 AM CDT

Quote by: alackbass Quote by: lavalamp I don't know, man. Who exactly is downloading them? I mean, I also see some of my songs have 100's of downloads. Is it really MJer's? Or is it some guy in an little office somewhere in China and other lands whose job it is to get every source of music possible on the net for its potential value, hoping one of a thousand pan out to be something and then steal the rights? lol I would love it to be true, but I don't believe hundreds of "people" have really downloaded my songs. Maybe it's just some sort of automated system after all. LL Dave, Right now while I type this there are 65 visitors here. I check in to Mj several times a day. I'm fortunate to have consistent internet access at home and work. I've seen that visitor numbers often range between 50 and 100. I also looked back at some of your earlier tracks and saw what Tim did (recent plays and near or more than 100 downloads). Why is it so hard to believe visitors are finding your music, enjoying it, and choosing to download? I know I myself have downloaded several of your songs.

Well thanks Andrew. Just a typical insecure artist I guess.

LL

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 08:38 AM CDT

And where the hell has Five_Extra_Arms been, by the way? Is "real life" so important nowadays? Come on! lol

Come back brother!

LL

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 08:52 AM CDT

Quote by: SmokeyVW maybe the Woodstock challenge idea will bring out some participation also i saw a CBGB challenge idea proposed

Wishes, hope come true .

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 09:04 AM CDT

I used to think that cliques were a problem. I don't have the energy to be that involved. But it is a sign of life. As far as I can tell, ANYONE who has the time and inclination is invite to be in the "MacJams Elite Clique." When a very social core group of members is apparent, it brings in new members, seeing the vitality of the site.

I think, in a very general sense, that cliques are useful. They steer the site in many ways. As time changes, groups evolve or phase into new groups. This revitalizes the site.

Arguments occur. Members leave, some stay. It's like getting an infection. If the body survives, it may be stronger. A lot depends on the core of the site.

Re:Pretty S-l-o-w
Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 09:33 AM CDT

For clarity's sake, I was not referring in any way to cliques. That is a word with a lot of baggage at this point, lol.