Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 05:38 PM CDT

I stumbled across this the other day and thought it was pretty revealing. I was never a big Zepplin fan so I wasn't aware of a lot of this. So if you illegally downloaded these songs that Zepplin stole in the first place are you guilty of theft in the second degree. The music business is such a joke. And I wonder how many royalties Chess records stole from Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and the other blues guys? Creedence Clearwater Revival's record company stole so much from them that John Fogerty refused to play the old songs for years just because he didn't want them to get anymore money off of his talents. It goes on and on but remember it's wrong to steal.

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 07:30 PM CDT

I love this stuff! jake holmes let dazed and confused go for decades then made a half hearted attempt I think on advice of friends/family members to recoup some royalties. he ended up successful in his own right and took the high road

I love black mountainside and all the versions of the fair song. there are several versions on macjams :-) I made one too! yup jimmy lifted the particular arrangement

as far as I know he got permission from spirit to use taurus as the basis for stairway

also you need lovin by humble pie (or were they still small faces!) did become whole lotta love I read steve marriott was shocked and surprised to hear a different version of the song come over the radio!

robert plant constantly lifted familiar blues lyrics -- familiar to blues aficianados :-) a case can be made as with the stones and yardbirds et al zep popularized blues majorly and expanded the audience significantly :-)

looks like in retrospect jimmy considered it expedient to skip permission and citation and just release the stuff and see what would happen. many of the songs share credit and royalties after lawsuits. several ways to look at why zep did it and with what motivation and intent.

I see them as honoring the songs, and agree they needed to share credit and royalties from the outset. they didn't but the songs remain just the same :-) and I am very glad zeppelin played and sang the way they did when they did!

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 08:16 PM CDT

According to Robert Plant Led Zeppelin had nothing to do with this; they always credited people and were told royalties were being passed on. Someone at the record companies or in Zep's management lied to them, if Plant's account is accurate.

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 08:37 PM CDT

just as long as they didn't illegally download it, should be ok.....phew

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 08:41 PM CDT

Oh, and I recalled something else; Plant's version was contested by several people in the record companies that released the early Zep' material. In court hearings the whole issue of who's fault it was was neatly side-stepped by everyone on the record company/Led Zep' side of things saying "I didn't deal with it because I thought someone else was doing it", which worked, sort of, because even if no-one believed them they couldn't prove any deliberate rip-off. Money was paid in retrospect, credits were changed, it all faded and Zep' will no doubt be more careful in future.

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 08:46 PM CDT

Quote by: Fire_Angel According to Robert Plant Led Zeppelin had nothing to do with this; they always credited people and were told royalties were being passed on. Someone at the record companies or in Zep's management lied to them, if Plant's account is accurate.

Okay, he didn't read his own record liner notes and see who the songs were credited as being written by? When he got his royalty financial report he never saw he was getting a writer's royalty on those songs? Well they were stoned all the time so maybe, but still hard to believe.

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 08:48 PM CDT

Quote by: particledots just as long as they didn't illegally download it, should be ok.....phew

I'm sure they wouldn't now, would they?

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 09:07 PM CDT

Quote by: bronco Quote by: Fire_Angel According to Robert Plant Led Zeppelin had nothing to do with this; they always credited people and were told royalties were being passed on. Someone at the record companies or in Zep's management lied to them, if Plant's account is accurate. Okay, he didn't read his own record liner notes and see who the songs were credited as being written by? When he got his royalty financial report he never saw he was getting a writer's royalty on those songs? Well they were stoned all the time so maybe, but still hard to believe.

Yeah, I know it's interesting; but actually it's entirely possible he never did read the liner notes; some people do check what the record companies put out, some people don't. I am not claiming that Plant's version is accurate either, after all the court cases were pretty numerous and all were settled against Zep' and their management, mostly out of court. On the question of financial reports, Zep never even looked at those; their manager dealt with that and nobody ever messed with him; he had a reputation for using everything from violence to the very best lawyers against anyone who dared to rip off his acts. I was never quite sure how much of that was just hype, but people were scared of him for real.

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Sunday, July 01 2012 @ 09:37 PM CDT

WTF

Re:Led Zepplin theft
Monday, July 02 2012 @ 09:27 AM CDT

This is all very funny Virginia. A notion like music/culture forensics doesn't exist in the mass consciousness for a reason. Big records, for one, doesn't want you to do anything but consume today's products.
Who is the most ripped off musician? Who is the best thief? As a guitar player that's easy! I would vote for Hendrix as the best thief, he's so good at stealing it takes a talented player to tell the source material. Most ripped? Roy Buchanan. Stealing ideas and licks from Roy started around 1961 and hasn't stopped yet.

Daug