Re:J.C.Thread.Won't.Die
Friday, July 24 2009 @ 03:43 PM CDT

Quote by: pablatone Quote by: Skean Quote by: pablatone If there is no God, then there is no reason to get upset about the suffering in the world, it's just the way things are, get over it. So the only thing an atheist can to say to the mother of a dying child is "sorry, that's just your bad luck." The atheist is not exempt from giving an answer to the problem of evil. The answers Jesus gives to the core questions in life make more sense than anything Dawkins has proposed. And He offers hope, something a materialist cannot do. What have God with the suffering to do? I thought that was all the wrong the capitalism (materialist) do!! (like you and me) Did you know that all the resources we use from earth JUST consuming by 20% of the worlds people, and did you know that 1'5 billion people live with earth and not of the earth like you and me, they still live like we did for 6 thousand year ago, hove old are the bible...... "The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors." "The first five books of the Old Testament (known as the Pentateuch or Torah) was written by Moses during the forty years that the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness (1450 - 1410 B.C.)." So should I believe in something who over 40 authors has written? And you also say (So the only thing an atheist can to say to the mother of a dying child is "sorry, that's just your bad luck.") ... Oh man WOW... And you also say (And He offers hope, something a materialist cannot do.) so if hope can safe my dying child please give her hope, no that I can't buy, I'll think I have to trust the Doctor and the material he use, that's the only hope I have... And so it goes.... A man who have faced the light but get back to the body, me, Kenta. hello my fine Viking friend, there is plenty of suffering even apart from capitalism. Capitalism in itself isn't an evil thing, the misuse of it is, getting money as your bottom line reason for living will always lead to no good, but earning money and being successful aren't evil things. I was using the word "materialist" with the definition of someone who believes that matter is the only reality, and that everything including thought , will and feeling can be explained only in terms of matter. I think that having 40 different people from many different walks of life over a period of 1400 - 1800 years about an extremely controversial subject like God, and still having agreement with each other is testimony to the truth of the book. So yes, I do think you should believe it. I think it makes sense of the world as we see it. It has the best explaination for why it is the way it is. Are there things in it that are hard to understand? Yep. But the essential things are very straightforward. The hope offered is that death is not the end, that there is something more and better on the other side of the grave.

Thanks for your explanation, and I can agree with you on some part in it, I know I'm not so good in English, but still I have it hard to believe there is a God, BUT I know it is something more after our DEAD cos I so my self laying on the hospital with 7 Doctors & Nurse around me fighting for my life and I also so the light as I felted free (hard to describe it) but the 7 one's did all to get me back and they succeed as the light disappeared.
And this have follow me ever-since it happen, I have to seek more to get the answer I want.

Peace
Kenta

Re:J.C.Thread.Won't.Die
Friday, July 24 2009 @ 07:59 PM CDT

Wow Kenta, how'd you get into that situation?
I like hearing what you have to say, so it's worth it to me to try to understand your english. Heck at least you speak another language, I stumble through english most of the time myself.

Re:J.C.Thread.Won't.Die
Friday, July 24 2009 @ 09:42 PM CDT

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. ... Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God." C.S. Lewis (for Jesus claimed to be God incarnate... the living God become man)

"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important. " C.S. Lewis

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Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 03:30 AM CDT

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Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 03:55 AM CDT

Quote by: pablatone Wow Kenta, how'd you get into that situation? I like hearing what you have to say, so it's worth it to me to try to understand your english. Heck at least you speak another language, I stumble through english most of the time myself.

A Paul, that's a long story I wish I could find that thread, cos I have write about it long time before, but to make a long story short, I drink too much alcohol only 17 years old lost boy.

Re:J.C.Thread.Won't.Die
Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 04:25 AM CDT

Quote by: pablatone If there is no God, then there is no reason to get upset about the suffering in the world, it's just the way things are, get over it. So the only thing an atheist can to say to the mother of a dying child is "sorry, that's just your bad luck." The atheist is not exempt from giving an answer to the problem of evil. The answers Jesus gives to the core questions in life make more sense than anything Dawkins has proposed. And He offers hope, something a materialist cannot do.

I cannot understand why you'd think I cannot have compassion, even though I live without worshiping a god? Come on, you think I'm not effected by the sorrow of the mother whose child is dying? These thing you speak of, compassion, suffering; believing in God and Jesus have nothing to do with having or not having empathy for the pain of this world.
I think you are ignorant, or, you enjoy making provocative statements. Either way, your comments dehumanize people like myself, alluding we are 'less than' or incapable of basic humanity. You act in an evil way. I don't this is what Jesus taught. You use biblical reference to set yourself above others. This in itself is a root cause of much atrocity throughout history. I have no respect for your statement.

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Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 05:01 AM CDT

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Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 05:08 AM CDT

Quote by: alley-oop Quote by: pablatone If there is no God, then there is no reason to get upset about the suffering in the world, it's just the way things are, get over it. So the only thing an atheist can to say to the mother of a dying child is "sorry, that's just your bad luck." The atheist is not exempt from giving an answer to the problem of evil. The answers Jesus gives to the core questions in life make more sense than anything Dawkins has proposed. And He offers hope, something a materialist cannot do. I cannot understand why you'd think I cannot have compassion, even though I live without worshiping a god? Come on, you think I'm not effected by the sorrow of the mother whose child is dying? These thing you speak of, compassion, suffering; believing in God and Jesus have nothing to do with having or not having empathy for the pain of this world. I think you are ignorant, or, you enjoy making provocative statements. Either way, your comments dehumanize people like myself, alluding we are 'less than' or incapable of basic humanity. You act in an evil way. I don't this is what Jesus taught. You use biblical reference to set yourself above others. This in itself is a root cause of much atrocity throughout history. I have no respect for your statement.

This is lovely ... you brought up a very nice subject ...
why people those who never worship anything have a full
humanity and compassion feelings ?
My philosophy that I believe in solve it this way ..
each human being born with map of genes those carried
natural pure human being attitude ..like love the others
hate to kill ...don't lie ..and its only life and
cercumstances let these kids learn evil doings !!!!

so sometimes you would here a remark like ( he s pure like
a child) ...this mean he s pure and good hearted manner soul !

And about competition and how this person knows much better
than the other ...this is natural ...that's why people like
Paul want to teach ..he feels he got an info want to teach it !

so we need to respect those who want to give ... BUT ....
this wont let them feel they are better cos of that !

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Saturday, July 25 2009 @ 05:49 AM CDT

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me too.