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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 08:19 PM CDT
Yes but then again, no. KK Latest track: Urra Moor/The Leckie/Reel CJ/Willafjord |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 08:19 PM CDT
Yes but then again, no. KK Latest track: Urra Moor/The Leckie/Reel CJ/Willafjord |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 09:08 PM CDT
sometimes it count !!
«Blues is easy to play, but not to feel » (Jimi Hendrix) |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 09:49 PM CDT
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Friday, July 03 2009 @ 12:51 AM CDT
If there is no God and yet many believe that our souls go somewhere into eternity... This eternity thing would have no problem with souls having faith or not,,, so if I believe in Jesus then there would be no consequences if He never existed.... But if I believe in nothing and Jesus Christ is who he says he is then I have to consider such things now here on this plane of existence. I am not naive about this. there were many years where I was most hostile with Christians, thinking that they were hypocritical and judgmental and intellectually I could not believe in God because there were so many other things that I could believe and not have to worry about it. After many years of searching and finding a myriad of belief systems, I could not embrace any one thing. What I had searched my whole life became watered down with this and that and I was generally an unfulfilled spiritual being. So as I began to approach Jesus, He approached me in quite the same way that I approached Him- intellectually - just as I had done in the many years past as a seeker. When we set out to find Him, He makes sure that He gives us experiences that will affirm this new belief. Many wont ever see this until they reach out far enough away from themselves and ask him simply to just show up. It's an odd notion, I know, but I have many stories I could tell- little miracles along the way that affirm this belief in him... oh ya. Christians being hypocrites and judgmental... I found out they are like that because we are ALL like that. Just thought I would throw that in at no charge.
Music is the master link in the chain of the tribes of mankind! -SloParts and so it goes... |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Friday, July 03 2009 @ 08:40 AM CDT
Mark, I find these questions to be some of the most difficult to respond to. I asked my brother in law to respond to them, for my own sake of better understanding - but also because I trust his long time faith and his experience through long hours of immersion in God's word and a lifetime dedicated to preaching God's Word in his career as pastor of several churches. If I may, I will share this from him with you all: 1. If God is a caring benevolent God why does he condemn non-believers to eternal pain and torture? (Including millions who are born into other religions or were born before the advent of Christianity) The Bible tells us in Romans 3:23, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” which means that all men are sinners. We inherited this nature from Adam and Eve when they sinned against God and rebelled against God. It is not Adam and Eve’s fault that we are sinners because had we been created first, we would also have disobeyed and we know this by the ease with which we all do things that we know are not right. So, it is not God’s fault that we are condemned but is the result of our own desire to rebel against God. Then we read in the first part of Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death", which means that our condemnation is the result of our sin. God could have been done with us at that point and left us to be condemned but the last part of Romans 6:23 says, "but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord". In other words, God does not want us to remain condemned. John 3:17-18 says, 17. "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son". So God provided a way through Jesus Christ that we do not have to be condemned. 2 Peter 3:9 says, 9. "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance". This means that God does not want anyone to be condemned and has given His Son so that by our trust in Him we are no longer condemned. When we trust Him the condemnation is removed. Romans 8:1 says, 1. "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus…" So if a person is condemned it is because they refuse to trust Jesus Christ and it is not God’s fault but the fault of that person. As far as those who came before Christ the Old Testament teaches that they are saved by looking forward to Christ’s sacrifice which is why they sacrificed animals. The animal sacrifice was a picture of the sacrifice that Christ would make when He came and died on the cross. Concerning those born in other religions or those who live where there is no Bible or missionaries Paul says in Romans 1:19-20, 19. "since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse". This means that God has given some revelation of Himself to every man who has been created and if that person chooses to accept and believe in that revelation he will not be condemned. 2. Why did He pick one spot on earth to send His Son to spread the word (pretty inefficient way to spread information) again condemning everyone else on earth to damnation? We do not really know why God chose to send Jesus to Bethlehem but simply trust that this was His plan. Galatians 4:4-5 says, 4. "But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5. to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons". I cannot honestly say that I understand the reason God chose this particular time and place to send Christ. But as far as it being an inefficient way to spread information we must realize that on all the earth today God and Jesus Christ are more known that any other person. So the word has spread. Again, it is not God who condemns those who reject Him , but they condemn themselves but so rejecting God. Refer again to John 3:17. 3. If everything in the Bible is the word of God, why do we not stone non-believers to death and exactly follow His rules regarding food and animal sacrifice? We need to understand why God gave the laws regarding food. The Jews were the people God chose to tell the world about Himself. They had a special place in His plan. Therefore they were to be a holy (holy means set aside) people or, in other words, were not to live like the non-believers around them. Therefore, God asked them to live differently by giving them dietary laws. By observing these laws the non-believers saw that they obeyed their God. This is also why people were stoned to death because of some sins. God wanted His people to be Holy and be different from the non-believers around them. But He also wanted His people to tell the non-believers about their God. He wanted them to become His people also. The laws having to do with the sacrifice of animals was God’s way of pointing the people to a day when there would be a perfect sacrifice (Jesus). Now that Jesus has come and become our sacrifice we no longer offer animals as sacrifices. 4. Why are the above rules routinely ignored but homosexuality is an abomination? The reason we do not follow these rules is because these dietary and animal sacrifice rules were intended to point toward the coming of Christ. Now that He has come, He has fulfilled them and we give witness to our non-believing friends and neighbors by living for Christ instead to through these rules. Concerning the sin of homosexuality, God particularly calls it an abomination because it takes what God has declared to be right and perverts it. Romans 1:26-28 says, 26. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion". God has chosen the marriage relationship between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:24) to be a picture of the relationship between His Son Jesus Christ and the Church. Ephesians 5:23-24 says, 23. "For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything". It is a serious thing to God to have that picture of marriage perverted and homosexuality does just that. Now having said that, it is also important to realize that to God sin is sin and the sin of homosexuality is no different than any other sin. If I lie, I sin and I cannot say that I am better than a homosexual because my sin is not as bad. ALL sin is sin. Harold, we know that these answers may leave questions but will be glad to answer other questions as we are able. So much of our relationship with God is built upon our trust in Him …even when we are not able to understand everything about Him or the ways in which He works. Isaiah 55:8 says, 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Friday, July 03 2009 @ 09:52 AM CDT
As a VIKING I am...lol but ya should now the Vikings had 7 Gods... And if ya read this you also can se they had there own Adam & Eva.. (Ask and Embla) who lived in midgard (paradise)
Viking mythology Viking mythology includes an elaborate creation myth, as well as a graphic description of the future ending of the world, at Ragnarok. Ginnungagap An infinite number of winters before the earth was created there was only the Great Abyss, a gorge of unfathomable depth. The abyss of emptiness was called Ginnungagap. From the North, from the land of frost and cold, ice and snow fell into the Abyss. From the South, from the land of fire and heat, burning rivers flowed into the deep. After an eternity of time the ice and the fire came within of each other, and when Surt struck sparks against the ice, the primordial cow came into being. Then also Ymer, the first ice-giant, was born. From his armpit, without the aid of a woman, Ymer gave birth to a giant and a giantess. Foot was coupled with foot, and a son with many heads was born. Out of the salty ice the primordial cow licked a man with beautiful features. His name was Bore, the born one. It is from him that all the Gods are descended. There was no earth nor sky, but under the soil the World Tree, Yggdrasil, pushed forth its roots. Yggdrasil, the World Tree Over time the Gods grew weary of living with the giants in Ginnungagap. Odin and his brothers decided to build a better world. Building material was needed for this new world and so Ymer was slain and ground between two great millstones. The earth was fashioned from his flesh, from his blood the sea and the crags from his bones. The vault of heaven from his skull and from his brains were all harsh storm clouds created. Four dwarves were set to bear the vault of heaven, one in each direction of the wind. Earth was given a place at the center of the World Tree and is called Midgard, Middle Earth. The golden woods of the gods were set in the crown of the ash and to ward off the giants all of Asgard was surrounded by a high wall. Upon Yggdrasil's three roots lies the netherworld with its springs. Each day the Gods ride over the colorful bridge Bifrost to rule over the rights and wrongs of the world. The land of the dead, Hel, is covered in mist. Last the Gods created two humans, Ask and Embla, and gave them Midgard to dwell in. Those giants who had survived the flood of Ymer's blood were forced to live in Utgard at the edge of the world. Ragnarok Viking mythology also encompassed what was going to happen at some unspecified time in the future, when the gods themselves would die. Here there is a definite parallel with the Christian account, in Revelation, of the forthcoming Apocalypse, for Ragnarok too is a final battle between the forces of good and evil. When Heimdall, the guardian of the Gods blows his horn will the warriors of Valhall know that the battle has begun. The World Serpent twists itself in giant hate, raises waves, sneezes fire and spits poison. Thor, the god of Thunder, kills the serpent with his hammer, but only nine steps does the son of gods take before the serpent's poison brings him down. The ship Nagelfar sails off, led by the wolf, the crew of cast-offs draw nigh. Odin charges, the battle field thunders, Bifrost breaks. Great is the sorrow in the land of the gods when the father of time is swallowed by the wolf. The sun grows dark, the earth sinks to the sea. All the bright stars fall from the sky. Afterwards silence, darkness. Okay! sorry for this but it looks like it is some simile in the Adam & Eva story??? footnote: there I live we have named places after there GOD'S Viking gods Odin Odin was the chief god in the Norse mythology, and the father of Thor, Balder, Hoder, Tyr, Bragi, Heimdall, Ull, Vidar, Hermod and Vali. His wives were Fjorgyn, Frigga and Rind. He had a bad habit to roam around Midgard in human disguise seducing and impregnating women. This is why many mortals were able to trace their ancestry back to him. Thor Thor was the son of Odin and Fjorgyn. He was the god ofthunder, the sky, fertility and the law. Armed with his strengthgiving items, a belt and the hammer Mjölnir, he had a simple way of righting wrongs: he more or less killed everything that moved. The other gods -mostly Loki- occasionally took advantage of Thor's simplicity. Loki Loki can be called the 'wizard of lies' and is in many ways the most interesting god in Asgard. Loki was related to Odin, but their relationship was rather strange. He came to Asgard either as of right or because Odin and he entered into a blood-brotherhood. Frey Frey was a fertility god of the the Vanir race. He was the son of Njord and came to Asgard as a hostage along with his father and sister Freya. Freya Freya was the goddess of sex and later also war and death. She married the god Od, who deserted her. After being abandoned she divided her time between mourning his absence and being promiscuous. Idun The goddess of spring and immortal youth was called Idun. She was the daughter of the dwarf Ivald and married to the god Bragi. Sif Sif was the goddess who married Thor and bore his stepson (by Odin), Ull. The vikings (and their gods) admired golden hair, and she was exceptionally proud of hers, so Loki cut it all off while she was asleep. Hel Hel was a goddess (or a monster), a daughter of Loki and Angrboda, who ruled over Niflheim, which was the land of the dead. There were different opinions of whether she was alive or dead. Ull, in his role as god of winter, was supposed to spend a few months each year as Hel's lover. Hel and her ghostly army were going to support the other gods at Ragnarok, after which her domain would go out in flames. I Almost Always Try to Think Positive Thoughts. |
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Friday, July 03 2009 @ 09:58 AM CDT
Mark the very words of God: "She says I am the One, But the kid is not my son".
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Re:Jesus Christ dead, age approx. 32
Friday, July 03 2009 @ 10:05 AM CDT
Neat stuff Skean, I've never heard the whole story before, thanks for posting it. who the...? what the...? |
Boy what a day.
