Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 07:44 PM CDT

nice to see the forums heating up

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 07:47 PM CDT

Quote by: SmokeyVW nice to see the forums heating up

...been awhile ehh?? ....

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 07:50 PM CDT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html

Here's a study on tree rings in Lapland that supports the accepted cooling models. Science, not opinion or spin should be the rule. Get to work with the debunking machine.
Imho the Warmers are members of a cult. Lots of reasons to choose to be in a cult.
There are worse cults to a member of... enjoy yourself. The problem comes in when members of the cult want to frame public policy based on their religious beliefs. With some notable exceptions US law protects against this kind of tyranny. Whose for less tyranny?

Daug

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 08:22 PM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html Here's a study on tree rings in Lapland that supports the accepted cooling models. Science, not opinion or spin should be the rule. Get to work with the debunking machine. Imho the Warmers are members of a cult. Lots of reasons to choose to be in a cult. There are worse cults to a member of... enjoy yourself. The problem comes in when members of the cult want to frame public policy based on their religious beliefs. With some notable exceptions US law protects against this kind of tyranny. Whose for less tyranny? Daug

LOL, Daug... I was just about to post this link so that I could read from Vic, a factual science-guy, why we should ignore this factual science. Of course, as we know, all roads don't lead to Rome, but to man-made global warming...

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 08:59 PM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin Here's a study

Showing what? And with what conclusion? You're not making an actual argument.

One of the things missed by those who falsely think this contradicts GW caused by CO2: Things being warmer hundreds of years ago is a result of other causes, like orbital changes as noted in the article. The recent rise is not explained by that, and if those causes were still in effect temperatures would still be getting lower - but they aren't.

Victor.

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 09:08 PM CDT

Quote by: VicDiesel Look, I see the world in factual terms while you see it in ideological terms. Unfortunately it's quite possible to say that an ideology is not in accordance with the facts, while the reverse is just silly. You keep insisting that you'll only accept the facts if you approve of the ideology they imply. Doesn't work. Not to mention that trying to keep civilization from keeling and going under is not much of an ideology. Victor.

I do hate to be a nag, but I have to insist on a correct framing of the discussion. Please reread my last post, and you will see that there is no political ideology in my position.

It would seem that far too many people have hopelessly muddled the 'cause of climate change' with the 'solution to the problem' (should one actually exist). My argument isn't with the notion of man-made global warming per se. It may exist; it may not. The actual answer is no concern of mine.

My argument is with the rush to inflict a political solution at all costs. Even a cursory glance at the workings of government in any country of your choosing should be enough to require a veritable boulder of salt to swallow the notion that that government will thoughtfully shepherd the wealth of the nation in pursuit of that most noble goal of saving the human race from itself.

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It will not.



The only result of urging 'important persons' to act (and giving them the freedom to do so), will be a distinct diminution of personal freedoms, and large transfers of the nation's wealth to well-connected associates of said important persons. Nothing else will be accomplished. How do I know? It happens all the time just as described.

MoM

PS. @ Smokey: a thread like this could provide a salutary punch in the arm to your chart of general participation here :-)

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 09:11 PM CDT

Re:Warm isn't it?
Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 11:37 PM CDT

from wikipedia:

"The scientific consensus on climate change is "that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities,"[37] and it "is largely irreversible"

we are doomed, doomed I tell you!! I'm gonna pick up my guitar and play just like yesterday :-)

Re:Warm isn't it?
Thursday, July 12 2012 @ 12:10 AM CDT

Re:Warm isn't it?
Thursday, July 12 2012 @ 12:36 AM CDT

To those who suggest we do nothing because the powers that be can never get it right.
We were rapidly polluting our skies and waterways to a high level of toxicity with leaded gas, untreated manufacturing run-off and other lovely byproducts of our lifestyle. We pressured and beseeched our elected officials to do something about this and measures were taken and regulations put in place to improve these conditions. As a result we have reclaimed some of our rivers and watersheds and in many areas the air is much cleaner than it was 40 years ago. In the US that is. Was this a waste of time and an infringement on our freedoms as some would suggest? Or was it the proper use of representational government?