Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 08:54 AM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin ...

Totally irrelevant. With the exception of the Pielkes there is no attempt at science, and their science has been multiply debunked. It's full of methodological errors.

Do you even know what substantiated research looks like?

Victor.

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 08:58 AM CDT

Quote by: RochaMalhada Quote by: bud Woody Guthrie was born 100 years ago today. Today is also Bastille Day. It's also Gustav Klimt's 150th birthday...

My partner & I celebrate the aniversary of our first date.

Victor.

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 10:16 AM CDT

Sorry Vic. When religious belief is used to frame public policy free people take offense. Research and public information are not the same things, but do have important relationships.
Believe as you will, based on whatever research you can get behind, but don't attempt to force your beliefs on others... insulting references aside, you
don't get to disagree about science. Unless it is politicized. This is what has happened to this issue. Which facet of life hasn't been politicized? Do you think this is a coincidence?
The best part is the exchanges are happening. With the usual exceptions people have maintained civility. This particular issue resolves itself, as the rival research based science sorts itself out the Cult will die off. This has already started. Examples of this include the Cults change from the global warming to the climate change mantras and it's no longer possible to take the pony-uped hockey stick graphs seriously.
As noted earlier, we need oil. We depend on fossil fuels for our way of life. We all hate pollution. Al Gore's global fear mongering has been exposed as a method to develop the political will to tax carbon, Al and his friends would have become more wealthy and powerful peddling what amounts to dispensations.
These are facts Vic. They don't fit your worldview? What research do you need to dispute the truth?

Daug

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 10:41 AM CDT

Time these cocksucking denialists were lined up and shot.

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 10:49 AM CDT

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Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 11:04 AM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin Sorry Vic. When religious belief is used to frame public policy free people take offense. Research and public information are not the same things, but do have important relationships. Believe as you will, based on whatever research you can get behind, but don't attempt to force your beliefs on others... insulting references aside, you don't get to disagree about science. Unless it is politicized. This is what has happened to this issue. Which facet of life hasn't been politicized? Do you think this is a coincidence? The best part is the exchanges are happening. With the usual exceptions people have maintained civility. This particular issue resolves itself, as the rival research based science sorts itself out the Cult will die off. This has already started. Examples of this include the Cults change from the global warming to the climate change mantras and it's no longer possible to take the pony-uped hockey stick graphs seriously. As noted earlier, we need oil. We depend on fossil fuels for our way of life. We all hate pollution. Al Gore's global fear mongering has been exposed as a method to develop the political will to tax carbon, Al and his friends would have become more wealthy and powerful peddling what amounts to dispensations. These are facts Vic. They don't fit your worldview? What research do you need to dispute the truth? Daug

How is accusing your opposition of being a cult not fear mongering? I think many of your arguments seem to draw negative respones and almost appear like trolling, which nullifies your data/opinions for me. Issues like this will never be solved as an Us vs. Them. To evolve our society, we must reunify our citizens. The governor of my great state of Wisconsin has been quoted to be using "divide and conquer" methods to push his methods through. It almost seems to me that some folks in this discussion are victims of this method?

How can we draw the discussion closer... because it seems the posts are pulling people farther apart!

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 11:15 AM CDT

Quote by: Doadars Uncle Quote by: Daugrin Sorry Vic. When religious belief is used to frame public policy free people take offense. Research and public information are not the same things, but do have important relationships. Believe as you will, based on whatever research you can get behind, but don't attempt to force your beliefs on others... insulting references aside, you don't get to disagree about science. Unless it is politicized. This is what has happened to this issue. Which facet of life hasn't been politicized? Do you think this is a coincidence? The best part is the exchanges are happening. With the usual exceptions people have maintained civility. This particular issue resolves itself, as the rival research based science sorts itself out the Cult will die off. This has already started. Examples of this include the Cults change from the global warming to the climate change mantras and it's no longer possible to take the pony-uped hockey stick graphs seriously. As noted earlier, we need oil. We depend on fossil fuels for our way of life. We all hate pollution. Al Gore's global fear mongering has been exposed as a method to develop the political will to tax carbon, Al and his friends would have become more wealthy and powerful peddling what amounts to dispensations. These are facts Vic. They don't fit your worldview? What research do you need to dispute the truth? Daug How is accusing your opposition of being a cult not fear mongering? I think many of your arguments seem to draw negative respones and almost appear like trolling, which nullifies your data/opinions for me.

Indeed

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 11:27 AM CDT

Re:Warm isn't it?
Saturday, July 14 2012 @ 11:50 AM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin Examples of this include the Cults change from the global warming to the climate change mantras and it's no longer possible to take the pony-uped hockey stick graphs seriously.

1. The planet is warming up. However, an increase in average temperature does not correspond to an increase in local temperature. Therefore people adopt the slightly more accurate term "climate change".

2. Do you even know what the hockey-stick graph is?

Al Gore

made a documentary. He is not a researcher. Bringing him up shows again that you do not have an argument.

What research do you need to dispute the truth?

Ha. Any research. Any at all. Meaning: climate models that are in accordance with reality as observed and that do not show warming in our future.

They don't exist*. The only thing you can point to is snipping at the margins, nitpicking. Never mind that all your nitpicks (which I'm pretty sure you don't even understand, giving that Daily Mail post from yesterday) are somewhere between irrelevant, distortions (intentional or not; I mean, newspaper reporters are not in the business of doing science: they are in the business of selling newspapers), and outright lies.

Victor.

* Actually, one or two exist. They have been shown to be faulty.