Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 07:32 PM CDT

Quote by: particledots Do we need it?

No really, we are off topic enough already for a music forum, and you find it necessary to start this discussion?

Victor.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 07:42 PM CDT

as a gun toting liberal i say:

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 08:25 PM CDT

I just bought a large gun case.

It should fit at least half a dozen of my larger flutes, and with a little luck the gemshorn and krumhorn.

Victor.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 08:49 PM CDT

All I can say is that when I had a drug crazed thug trying to kick in my door and have his way in my home I was glad I had one.

When I looked in my wife's eyes and saw the fear because someone was trying to bust their way in, I was glad to be able to defend. When you come face to face with this reality all of the politics and posturing goes right out the window. I am a pacifist until you try that. The real world has a way of opening one's eyes. At that moment I could give a shit less if you are against it or not.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 08:55 PM CDT

Quote by: Loob All I can say is that when I had a drug crazed thug trying to kick in my door and have his way in my home I was glad I had one. When I looked in my wife's eyes and saw the fear because someone was trying to bust their way in, I was glad to be able to defend. When you come face to face with this reality all of the politics and posturing goes right out the window. I am a pacifist until you try that. The real world has a way of opening one's eyes. At that moment I could give a shit less if you are against it or not.

There is another alternative. Go out the back door while dialing 911 and let the police handle the perp and your insurance cover the loss.
Did you shoot the intruder? Did he have a weapon? Did you unnecessarily endanger yourself or another by brandishing a weapon in order to protect property?

The same laws that put a gun in your hand - put a gun in his hand.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 09:01 PM CDT

Quote by: bud Quote by: Loob All I can say is that when I had a drug crazed thug trying to kick in my door and have his way in my home I was glad I had one. When I looked in my wife's eyes and saw the fear because someone was trying to bust their way in, I was glad to be able to defend. When you come face to face with this reality all of the politics and posturing goes right out the window. I am a pacifist until you try that. The real world has a way of opening one's eyes. At that moment I could give a shit less if you are against it or not. There is another alternative. Go out the back door while dialing 911 and let the police handle the perp and your insurance cover the loss. Did you shoot the intruder? Did he have a weapon? Did you unnecessarily endanger yourself or another by brandishing a weapon in order to protect property? The same laws that put a gun in your hand - put a gun in his hand.

The Goal justifies the means

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 09:03 PM CDT

Quote by: bud The same laws that put a gun in your hand - put a gun in his hand.

there are lots of outlawed things we can obtain fairly easily. that doesn't wash.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 09:15 PM CDT

Quote by: Loob When you come face to face with

...someone who is simply at the wrong house, boy, aren't you glad you have a gun.

Victor.

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 09:27 PM CDT

how could you carry? how could you carry?

Re:Gun Control
Friday, July 20 2012 @ 09:38 PM CDT

Quote by: SmokeyVW Quote by: bud The same laws that put a gun in your hand - put a gun in his hand. there are lots of outlawed things we can obtain fairly easily. that doesn't wash.

True. Drugs are outlawed but they can be obtained fairly easily also. However they cost a lot more as a result and a user in the throes of addiction may resort to breaking and entering with a gun in order to score cash and prizes to support his habit.

Does that wash any better. Maybe I should keep a stash of drugs at my house to defend myself with. But if my kids get a hold of it there could be dire consequences. Same goes with a gun.

I will not go quoting some wiki link - but I recall hearing that more shootings in the home are committed by family members and child accidents than criminals. I could well be wrong about this.

The second amendment was initially intended to provide the populace with the fire power to defend itself against tyranny. Members of state militias were also permitted to own weapons. It was a later stretch of it's intent that put guns into the hands of all Americans.