Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 03:35 PM CST

Quote by: rover101 if you're using them because you can't find a drummer, then you made a demo, not a piece of music.

Can you explain how something I write, play guitar, bass and sing on is not a piece of music because I used a drum loop? I'm looking for a technical explanation. Thanks.

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 03:36 PM CST

I feel I get honest feedback at this site. The critiques have helped me mix my songs better, plus have helped me in the handful of live gigs I've done. But it is so true that live performance is a whole other monster -- with some things that are quite difficult to control. I try to make it a point to post at MacJams highly "produced" songs as well as one-track, uncut recordings of me playing while I sing. Doing this will help to bring up both those areas -- production and performance.

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 03:45 PM CST

Quote by: screamalexz Quote by: Death Nougat Quote by: loopy_loop Also a lot of people just use loops so they can't really offer a lot of useful insight to a person making music from scratch since 90% of the production has been done already. person using loops => that person cannot offer insight to people mkaing music not using loops You're assuming that someone using loops cannot discern quality of a song, production, performance, arrangement, lyrics, singing, comparing the song to others in its genre both at MacJams and in the world at large, etc.. This is a poor assumption. song using loops => 90% of song production is already done You're assuming that midi loops do not require instrument assignment, loops do not have to be arranged across time and across the stereo spectrum and tracks, some song form (AABA, etc.) chosen, the loops are not being modified with effects, splicing, note transpositions, tempo changes, etc. This is a poor assumption. very good points that i was wondering about. maybe loops don't require adding effects and things to produce them properly but in using them you still have to be able to hear what sounds good/

As someone who does not care for the use of loops, I certainly can appreciate music that incorporates them. I see the biggest downfall of loops being that they somewhat dictate the outcome of the song. If someone is customizing a loop from scratch, then I wouldn't necessarily call it a loop in the spirit of a drag n drop loop. For those that use drum loops, why not seek out drummers to collaborate with? Just a thought.
Rock on!

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 03:46 PM CST

Quote by: aclarke Quote by: rover101 if you're using them because you can't find a drummer, then you made a demo, not a piece of music. Can you explain how something I write, play guitar, bass and sing on is not a piece of music because I used a drum loop? I'm looking for a technical explanation. Thanks.

Yes please explain to me also. Is 'demo' blues musician code for no talent? The fact that I spend weeks cutting and chopping drum loops and recording 5 million original guitar and bass lines for a song means I made a 'demo'?


I think you're a jackass rover for even implying that because someone uses drum loops that they automatically negate any musicianship. I hope that statement wasn't too much feelgood bulldoodoo for you..

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 04:05 PM CST

Quote by: Corporal Beef For those that use drum loops, why not seek out drummers to collaborate with?

Machines don't need to practice, they get it the first time you tell them, they're always willing to try something new, they always keep good time, they know when to come in, they're able to do odd meters, they keep quiet when you want to talk about music, they never show up late or drunk, they won't sleep with your girlfriend...ahem...sorry.

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 04:19 PM CST

I did not imply that just because you use drum loops you are not making music. If you took the trouble to actually read what I said, I stated that loops are perfectly appropriate to certain kinds of music, and inappropriate to others UNLESS YOU ARE TRYING TO STRETCH THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT STYLE. So please don 't put words in my mouth that stem from your own insecurities. Cheers

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 04:29 PM CST

Quote by: rover101 I did not imply that just because you use drum loops you are not making music. If you took the trouble to actually read what I said, I stated that loops are perfectly appropriate to certain kinds of music, and inappropriate to others UNLESS YOU ARE TRYING TO STRETCH THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT STYLE. So please don 't put words in my mouth that stem from your own insecurities. Cheers

That's a load of crap, Rover. I quoted you exactly. It's hard for me to put words in your mouth when your foot's in the way.

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 05:06 PM CST

Direct quote from my original post "They seem to work fine for dance music and certain kinds of pop, and the theatre people don't care as long as you can hear the words. But they have no place in in, say, folk or blues unless you're deliberately experimenting with the form"

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 05:11 PM CST

Here is the quote:

"They seem to work fine for dance music and certain kinds of pop, and the theatre people don't care as long as you can hear the words. But they have no place in in, say, folk or blues unless you're deliberately experimenting with the form - if you're using them because you can't find a drummer, then you made a demo, not a piece of music."

So again I ask you... aside from it being your opinion- please tell me how it is NOT a piece of music and only a demo?

Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Saturday, January 21 2006 @ 05:12 PM CST

Quote by: screaming.org Quote by: Corporal Beef For those that use drum loops, why not seek out drummers to collaborate with? Machines don't need to practice, they get it the first time you tell them, they're always willing to try something new, they always keep good time, they know when to come in, they're able to do odd meters, they keep quiet when you want to talk about music, they never show up late or drunk, they won't sleep with your girlfriend...ahem...sorry.

Well, I may have all of the above faults, but I swear to GOD I didn't sleep with your girlfriend, man!