Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 2705 Location: Never can tell these days!, Mystification
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 06:35 AM CST
Quote by: rmaclema
Quote by: Rollo OK, lets start another one. My Mac is better than yours!
Dang!!! It probably is. Mine's a dual 1 GHz G4 tower. 3 years old, I think...
Yup, me too. Mine's a hair faster with 1.25 chips but it's still a ratbox. It's a fairly fast ratbox but it's a ratbox nevertheless. The current dream is about what a dual-processor Intel box will be like. That one will seriously kick out the jams.
Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 2705 Location: Never can tell these days!, Mystification
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 06:40 AM CST
P.S. I know the meaning of 'rat' for bikes and my computer definitely qualifies in the same context. It's got three internal SCSI drives, two internal optical drives, USB 1.x, USB 2.x (PCI), Firewire 400, Fire800 (PCI) and I know I put another card in for something or other else but I don't even remember what that one was. And that doesn't even count all the peripherals. Yup, it's a ratbox.
Registered: 07/23/04 Posts: 447 Location: New Port Richey, Florida USA
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 07:08 AM CST
Quote by: aclarke
Quote by: rover101 Now for argument's sake let's say I take that song with it's rudimentary, place-holding drum loop track and ask someone like perceptual vortex to re-work the drums. PV is a drummer not currently set up to record live drums. What he does is create a very real sounding drum track using his talent and various loops. Where does this fall?
Yes.
OR... what if he sets up mics and records his own drums and makes his own loops and sends you the loops? OR, what if he uses his drumming talent to program a drum machine and he records that and sends you that? Or what if he constructs the track out of loops but tells YOU that he recorded his own real drums and you can't tell the difference? Or what if he's playing an electronic drumset and triggering samples? And then he's quantizing his performance to eliminate errors? Isn't that really the same as programming a drum machine?
It's a sticky business once you decide that you are going to assign "value" to a song based on how it was recorded and the elements that were chosen (ie "this is not music, it is a demo.") The end result is what you should assign value to. And you can't judge the end result until you've heard it.
Most non-musicians would not be able to tell the difference between real drums and a drum track made of good loops. Hell, most non-musicians can't tell the difference between bad drum machines and real drums. Even musicians like us can't tell the difference between programmed drums and real drums if the drums were programmed by drummers and it was done with today's best tools.
Part of this could be that rover101 has not worked with GOOD drum loops. I just thought of that. If you play around with the drum loops in GarageBand, then he's right... they DO suck and if you make a song out of them, the drums WILL be lame. But rover101, you can get awesome drum loops from companies now that contain all of the basic elements... Drums On Demand has loops where they give you different beats for the verse, chorus, bridge, ending, and they give you variations of those, and they give you different fills for each. The end result sounds surprisingly like a real drummer, if you put the loops together with taste. The problem is that they only make loops for certain styles of music.
Registered: 11/13/04 Posts: 381 Location: Guarda, Portugal
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 11:53 AM CST
Quote by: rcandrews well bein one of the least talented people (Lawd forbid i use the term musician) on the planet, i would like to point sumptin out Rollo, besides da fact i can't spell or sing/play too good.. old school country (williams sr, chet, doc, haggard, waylon, travis, gutherie, leadbetter, paul) music is betta than anythin you have ever fuxin written or will ever fuxin write. you hate country music cuz ya can't fuxin play it. "irene", "pigmeat", "pick a bale of cotton", "black betty", "silvie", "bourgeois blues", "midnight special", "house of the rising sun" are fuxin master pieces . anybody who can't hear dat is fuxin deaf. had it not been fo some of these cats you rock n rollers would still be playin with yourselves instead of your getars.
these cats i mentioned are da pioneers of da musical forms that were combined on american soil to become da most pervasive music throughout the world. and dats a fact not a fuxin opinion. n again them on a bad day can or could out play y'all or anyone y'all know on ya grandest of days. or have ya really written somethin thats gonna be around a hundred years from now? not too mention it but i will "i ain't got no home", "vigilante man", "this land is your land.." are songs y'all only wished you were cabale of writin
hows dat fo honesty
in regards to loops get over it. use em or don't. either way, i wish people would shut da fux up about it already. we all know those who don't use loops are the worlds gift to music, have sold billions of records and invented the inverted chord. big fuxin deal. whats da point? n who really gives a rats ass? those who talk about how good they are are typically the ones who can't even fuxin play as good as i can fart.
a lil mo troof's fo y'all
But that's my "fuxin" opinion. And i don't hate it because i can't play it. I can't play flamenco and i LOVE it. I just wanted to see those country bimbos playing the guitar like Paco de Lucia...
And for the fact of being "combined on american soil", i only can say that George W .Bush was "combined on american soil" too...
And you can fart in the key of C 'cous i don't give a fux.
Registered: 11/05/05 Posts: 1172 Location: Kirkland, WA usa
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 12:23 PM CST
well since we're on old music. how about duane eddy? or some other old blues musicians that i like but can't remember the name of at the moment lol. and as for gearge bush.. lets just not go there. makes me sad to live here.. should have been born in england. hail the queen and king lol..
Registered: 07/23/04 Posts: 447 Location: New Port Richey, Florida USA
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 02:43 PM CST
Old music?
I've got Charlie Christian and Robert Johnson in my iTunes collection. Two different cats but two cats who could play music for sure. Charlie Christian played unbelievable runs on a guitar with action way higher than my crappy acoustic. I could listen to that guy play all day. Robert Johnson, man... some of those recordings are older than dirt itself but still sound fantastic even today. Amazing stuff that still stands up. Some of it I don't like but some of it I do.
'Course you could call Beethoven old music too and I've got some of his work. But the recording was done in the 70's. So it's not an old recording.
I don't have any Hank Williams Sr on iTunes but his music is kinda interesting to me. I might just have to buy me some - I kinda like what I've heard.
Re:Geting tired of this - be honest please!
Sunday, January 22 2006 @ 04:10 PM CST
Hank sr is the absolute king of that branch of country that helped birth rock'n'roll - I expect you've heard more of his songs than you think. You'll enjoy tremendously. From around this period, on the other side of the tracks, so to speak, Louis Armstrong's playing and singing is some of the hottest of his career (with his Hot Five), and I bet you'll also enjoy Louis Jordan (Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens, Five guys Named Moe). Hope this isn't reduntant information for you. Cheers, Shaky
p.s. Absolute last on the loops thing (from me anyway). If you're taking the time and trouble to get, say, Morgan to construct your drum track and make it special, then you're falling on the side of the angels. If you're taking the time and trouble to screw with the loops yourself (and I don't mean just drum loops) and make them something special, you're falling on the side of the angels. If you're just taking loops as is and plonking them in your music, then you may be exercising your critical faculties, but you're not engaging your creative ones. And therefore my rant.
