A Round & Bach Again v3/Final

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A simple 3-part "round" or canon with variations, showing my children how you can devise a melody that can stack on top of itself like offset puzzle pieces, which will then make its own harmony (with a nod to the master of rounds and fugues, J. S. "LoopMeister" Bach.) And because rounds get boring very quickly, the players get silly at the end and begin to give the tune a set of jazzy variations. And as always, the title of this piece is smirky wordplay, a really bad hobbit of mine.

This third (and final) version has been varied and extended even more, the instruments are a little better balanced, and the piano gets to help with the ending too.

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Hits: 3923
Comments: 63
Fans: 6
Plays: 306
Downloads: 157
Votes: 18
Uploaded: Jul 30, 2005 - 11:13:00 PM
Last Updated: Nov 21, 2005 - 01:51:00 PM Last Played: Jan 10, 2012 - 04:43:11 PM

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canon (12), round (19), bach (37), jazz (819), harmony assistant (18), drakonis (77)

Hardware:

Dual 1Ghz G4, 1 pint copy/paste buffer, 2B blues-colored pencil tool.

Software:

Melody scored in Harmony Assistant, moved to GB 2, stacked & tweaked & EQed (piano & flute from HA, Acoustic Bass from GB 2.)

Comments

	ludar said 2852 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	nice-and-floaty this-is-a-nice-floaty-tack-i-like-what-you-have-done- here Check out my latest song called what a load of George Bush

drakonis	drakonis said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	nice-and-floaty Glad to have you floating along... If it distracted you from reality for 1:59, then I succeeded! :-) ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

stevel	stevel said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	A charming piece of music I could imagine this working very well as a soundtrack piece...I really like the way the instrumental parts interact Very nice indeed Steve Check out my latest song called Whatever...

drakonis	drakonis said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	A charming piece of music It would be fun to hear as part of a movie... hmm. I'm glad you liked the interaction, I was trying to give a feeling of the performers just adding their own little bits and embellishing upon each other's directions. ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

alanfraser

alanfraser said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)

Very pretty
The balance of instruments works well and the composition
gives a smooth transition into the jazzy bits. Daisy (not her
real name) thinks it sounds like 'fairy tale music' - I'm not
sure what that means but it was definitely a compliment. I'm
wondering what it would sound like with fatter instruments
but I'm always one to over-produce so take that with a grain
of nutmeg as that's even smaller than a grain of salt.

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drakonis

drakonis said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)

Very pretty
I'd take a grain of nutmeg from you over a grain of salt any time! Especially if
mixed with a grain of cinammon, some clove, a little allspice, some pumpkin...
uh, what were we talking about? (Drool...) oh, music, yes, I wanted it simplistic
so you could hear the parts, but it would be fun to have an entire
orchestra slowly add in and build to a super-jazzy punch to this.. but I'm afraid
I'm pushing my meager talent here already. I'm glad you like my meager talent
though, makes my day! Tell Daisy that the world is full of fairy tales, and tell her
one :-)
ttfn,
Drakonis---
deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there

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	said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	Yep, it's a canon alright I wish there was more sustain on the piano notes. Overall, pretty pretty.

drakonis	drakonis said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	more gunpowder I liked the rich sound of this particular sampled piano more than the prior one, but I think you are right, it is a little deader than the other one. Thanks for the insightful critique, this is what I love to find out about & work on! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

thetiler	thetiler said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	cool graphic, nice tune Like how it gets interesting as the tune continues with a jazzy feel. Like how that bass sounds as well. Nice job. Check out my latest song called When Your Strange

Stun Nutz	Stun Nutz said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	cool graphic, nice tune I like what you did with the graphic... you gotta love Photoshop's "polar coordinates!" Pleasant tune, too... the way the melodies overlap kept my interest. The bass gave a nice jazzy bottom end. I liked the part where the piano struck a couple chords. I agree with Troy on the piano sustain - more would be good. Check out my latest song called percolatik

drakonis

drakonis said 2849 days ago (August 2nd, 2005)

cool graphic, nice tune
Photoshop? Nah, I use the Gimp, an open-source (free) photoshop-clone...
after all, I don't even play a graphic artist on TV, so I can't afford such tools.
That would eat into my DragonSauce™ budget. But I did like polarizing the
GB window to infer a repeated round. Now I'm wondering about Troy's and
your comment... I may have misunderstood. You mean sustain, as
in, hold down the notes longer, as opposed to holding the amplitude of the
note while its held down (instead of it decaying)? So, I shouldn't have added
staccato on many of the piano notes to make them so short-lived... instead,
maybe some of them should have been held as 1/2 or whole notes to blend
in more? Maybe that's what you and Troy were saying?
-Drakonis, wandering around in technical ambiguity---
deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there

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drakonis	drakonis said 2849 days ago (August 2nd, 2005)
	cool graphic, nice tune Yay, glad you like it Bill! This is definitely a compliment, from you, a guy well-versed in detail and embellishment in tile and guitar. Thanks! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

TennesseeVic	TennesseeVic said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	Why not have a version 4? I think you haven't explored inversion and retrograde motion yet. Or rhythmic augmentation and diminution. This is a fun piece! I'm sure your kids now understand it perfectly. Check out my latest song called A Bell in the Valley

drakonis

drakonis said 2849 days ago (August 2nd, 2005)

Why not have a version 4?
I guess I do have aversion to a version 4, having hit the limits of my current
abilities and having other musical ideas burning a hole note in my pocket. I
asked my hang-glider friend for some tips on "inversion" and
"retrograde motion", and he said those are extremely dangerous things to
attempt (smirk). Seriously, though, I am beginning to learn more about music
theory (in that rarified atmosphere called "spare time"), and look forward to
playing with sequencing, inverting, augmenting, as a way to write something
that can maintain interest for longer than 2 minutes :-) I'm partway through
some music lectures on Beethoven's usage of just those tools in composing
each of his symphonies. Thank you for commenting and encouraging me.. I'll
be sharing my experiments here!
ttfn,
Drakonis

---
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Mystified	Mystified said 2851 days ago (July 31st, 2005)
	Jazzy and cool I've always liked this 'little ditty' and this version is ....well, dittier! Seriously, I've really enjoyed watching this piece progress with each version. It's charming as well as educational. I, too, could see it used in a film. Thanks for this, Drak :) Check out my latest song called the snowflake dances

drakonis	drakonis said 2847 days ago (August 4th, 2005)
	Jazzy and cool ooh, "dittier"! I like it! Thank you for lending your ear to this and commenting (again and again :-) as I spice it up. ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

	said 2850 days ago (August 1st, 2005)
	counterpoint well taken Good composition. Goes from classical to jazzy keen. Judicious use of arpeggios. Good clean fun. Trilling.

drakonis	drakonis said 2847 days ago (August 4th, 2005)
	counterpoint well taken Thank you Richard for listening, though it seems to have left you no terse for wear. Transitioning 'tween genres was jazzy swell! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

Rebsie	Rebsie said 2849 days ago (August 2nd, 2005)
	Way to go More complex and detailed than before and very beautifully put together. It has a lot of flair and sparkle to it now. The piano is really a feature here ... I love that! I still like the previous one too, so I hope you'll leave that up. Each version has a slightly different character, which is nice. Check out my latest song called Amongst The Colours (w/ Luna Trick)

drakonis

drakonis said 2844 days ago (August 7th, 2005)

Way to go
For you, m'lady, I'll leave them both here for you to enjoy! I had fun bringing the
piano out a little more on this version, since the flute player sort of stole the
show in the prior one... this seems more balanced for all three instruments. I'm
very happy you like it, again!
ttfn,
Drakonis

---
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cjhoose	cjhoose said 2849 days ago (August 2nd, 2005)
	like it! I'd never have the patience to write something like this. The bass sounds especially nice here. Check out my latest song called Vapor

drakonis	drakonis said 2844 days ago (August 7th, 2005)
	like it! Patience? Well, I don't have the talent to sing as nicely as you do, so I guess we're even :-) Thank you for stopping by and checking it out... and keep on singing! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

Epileptic Gibbon

Epileptic Gibbon said 2847 days ago (August 4th, 2005)

Third and final? Are you sure?
Drakonis, not sure which version I've heard before…
version one of two, but I remember liking it. It was such a
long time ago that I can't work out exactly what changes
you've made with this new version (I know you say above
but I'd have to compare and contrast really) or whether I
think it's better, worse, or about the same. But either way,
I still love it and it's great to hear it again for the first
time. I still like that jazzy, vaguely Jethro Tull edge to it
that was there on the earlier version and as long as you
keep that then I'll be happy. Sorted!

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drakonis	drakonis said 2840 days ago (August 11th, 2005)
	Third and final? Are you sure? Three's a charm, time to move on... so many notes, so little time! I'm happy to put a Tull-like bounce in your step, and glad to hear you beginning to post more here too! Thank you for your friendship and support and comments! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

I.G.M.	I.G.M. said 2840 days ago (August 11th, 2005)
	Good one Very nice tune! Good playing! I like it! Check out my latest song called By Now

drakonis	drakonis said 2840 days ago (August 11th, 2005)
	Good one Danke! And Welcome to MacJams, I look forward to hearing more of your nice guitar playing! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

cormacbrenock

cormacbrenock said 2840 days ago (August 11th, 2005)

you have the know how.
You have the know how but I think it would sound a little nicer if the piano had a bit of reverb and when ascending up the notes if two were played in harmony.
Or maybe a delay on the flute .
I think with just a few tweeks on fx like reverb and delay it could sound better and you would do yourself more justice .
But it is still a good piece and I feel in no real position to judge as I have no musical training myself.

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drakonis

drakonis said 2828 days ago (August 23rd, 2005)

you have the know how.
Thank you for listening and posting thoughtful and helpful comments! I like
the idea of adding more chords to the piano part, and adding a little more
"concert hall" reverb... I tried to go a little easy on the reverb so as not to
muddy things too much, but a lot of that is just my lack of experience "on the
mixing board". :-)
ttfn,
Drakonis

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John Stebbe	John Stebbe said 2830 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
	A very cool piece. Enjoyable. Lots of thought had to go into this, I'm sure, to make it all come out so well. And thanks so much for your kind comments about my "Martin Luther" piece. Check out my latest song called Woodwind Family Song

drakonis	drakonis said 2828 days ago (August 23rd, 2005)
	A very cool piece. And a deep bow of thanks to you John, a great jazz piano player/writer! ttfn, Drakonis --- deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

	daphna said 2805 days ago (September 15th, 2005)
	I like the additions you have made to this piece - now that I am actually listening to the right version. But my "more please!" comment still stands for v3! This piece is very unique and many of the concepts presented sound like they could easily be stretched further. Very enjoyable and pleasing to the ear. Thanks for posting. Cheers. Check out my latest song called It's Christmas Time

savage4hire	savage4hire said 2788 days ago (October 2nd, 2005)
	jazzy bachfizious haha intresting, reminds me of a comedy for some reason. Maybe add a little bass in the background. Check out my latest song called Dark Throne of the Bunny King

Alannah	Alannah said 2771 days ago (October 19th, 2005)
	I promised I would listen .... Kewl Sound .... its like 18th century meets 21st century ..... and they throw a "ball" together .... I have visions of ladies in gowns ... gents in white pompadore wigs .... while the jazz band sits in the corner and keeps time with the harpsichord .... Check out my latest song called Street People (Anomalous w/Alannah)

notsosweet	notsosweet said 2751 days ago (November 8th, 2005)
	Wonderful how you can take a simple beginning and build complexity into it. Great job! Check out my latest song called Noel Parisien - Charles Quef

notsosweet	notsosweet said 2751 days ago (November 8th, 2005)
	Wonderful how you can take a simple beginning and build complexity into it. Great job! Check out my latest song called Noel Parisien - Charles Quef

screaming.org

screaming.org said 2750 days ago (November 9th, 2005)

...
I've been wanting to post how much I like this series. It was fun to
listen to the way it progressed.

I haven't tried anything with the pencil tool, but I learned a few Bach
fugues when I studied piano so I do groove on the canon thing quite a
bit. It's an excellent idea to use GarageBand to share this with your
kids. I'm curious how they reacted to or grew from the lesson. Maybe
you already discussed that in a comment somewhere and I missed it.

Nice how the first three notes in your graphic are the first three notes
of the theme. It made me feel good just to notice that. :-)

I like the way you add little ornaments and embellishments to the
theme as you go, especially when the piano starts doing the
chopsticks-style intervals towards the end.

The upright-bass as one of the voices is an especially nice touch.

Long story short, this is cool.

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AEROjet	AEROjet said 2683 days ago (January 15th, 2006)
	happy happy A neat way to mix classical and jazz. Very medevil sounding until you throw in that bebop scale. It's such a happy tune, It could use a dab of reverb or something on the piano. (it's a bit thuddy) I enjoyed it. Check out my latest song called You Got Me (remix)

danatemachine	danatemachine said 2566 days ago (May 12th, 2006)
	A mood I can say that I really enjoyed this piece. The natural progression of the round draws you into the song further and further. The song kinda felt like a dance in some fantasy place. Good Song, and Im not much of a classical listener!!

composerclark

composerclark said 2559 days ago (May 19th, 2006)

Very clever!
I heard some previous version, but I don't think I heard this one... Very
clever. Nice tune (subject) and counterpoint (countersubject), and I
expected this to turn into a fugue, and was surprised when it didn't.
Once I got over that (through medication and expensive therapy), I began
to really enjoy the gradual process by which you transform a quasi-
baroque theme into a funkier, jazzy one. Well done!

Now go write a fugue!

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drakonis

drakonis said 2559 days ago (May 19th, 2006)

Very clever!
I apologize for throwing you into fits of despondency due to the fugueless
nature of this piece... but dammit Jim, I'm a hobbyist, not a fuguelist! (Star Trek)
Anyway, I am very happy you liked what I came up with, and with a lot of work I
think I might be Motiv(ated) to rewrite this as a fun fugue... you and my wife are
twisting my arm like crazy to write a fugue, so, I will! Stay tuned... I need to go
ask somebody a fugue questions, and I'll be bach!
ttfn,
Drakonis

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composerclark

composerclark said 2559 days ago (May 19th, 2006)

Very clever!
Wow! You have serious punning issues, you know that? And people
think I'm bad! No way I can top your contra-pun-talisms (see, even I'm
groaning at that one!), but I guess if you do write a fugue, I'd recommend
writing for at least one fugal-horn and having it performed in your own bach
yard, if you don't mind subject-ing your neighbours to such an episode.

Basta! Now write that fugue!!! Or another waltz.

---
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craft	craft said 2524 days ago (June 23rd, 2006)
	Good playing Very nice tune! I love this kind of tune. Perfect. This one is floating in my brain again and again... Nice job Check out my latest song called Valarty & AJ Craft - Burn (Alternative version)

drakonis

drakonis said 2524 days ago (June 23rd, 2006)

Good playing
Wonderful, from my brain to yours! I am very glad you stopped by (all the way
from Portugal!) and enjoyed this catchy tune and left a comment, thank you very
much. I still whistle this tune sometimes, so it is still not completely out of my
head yet... maybe more people need to listen to it :-)
ttfn,
Drakonis

---
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paul f. page

paul f. page said 2381 days ago (November 13th, 2006)

Bach Round
Eduard,
Well, the tune sure has stuck in my head, even after one listening. On the second pass I had it by heart. The little flurry at the end was a nice touch, but I could tell you were getting tired of the whole thing. A little piece like this, though, has a limited number of reps possible and I think you wisely ended it. I would love to hear this on a better piano. As you know, I am using Ivory software. You are definitely a pianist who has the skill to appreciate some good software and I'd encourage you to check it out. ($300 and your keyboard life will change!) ...I am so glad to see someone else writing in a more restrained, classical style. You have such a nice feel for symmetry and that comes through, even in a shorty like this. Glad I listened.
Paul

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	said 1920 days ago (February 17th, 2008)
	A Round & Bach Again Yes, sort of Bach-like, with a cool jazz flute type of feel. Different. Different is good!

drakonis	drakonis said 1920 days ago (February 17th, 2008)
	different is fun too A bit of genre-melting, glad you liked the simple romp! ttfn, Drakonis Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

Pete_NB	Pete_NB said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)
	Cool twists I've always loved the concept of rounds but never tried them out myself. After listening to this I feel inspired to give it a shot. The jazzy evolution in this piece is great, it really bounces along. Impressive considering it was done with the pencil tool. Check out my latest song called Run With Me

drakonis

drakonis said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)

inspiring?
Hey hey... if this gets you interested in getting around to trying a round, then I'm very happy! Like I said, I started it off simply, and then started playing with new copies of the bars, chopping the notes up as I went along to slowly disintigrate it into the jazzy boogie that it became. It was great fun. I look forward to hearing what you get inspired to do!
ttfn,
Drakonis

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Doadars Uncle	Doadars Uncle said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)
	Transition! This little tune made me smile! Bored? Hardly. But entertained by the slide into jazz. Check out my latest song called Alone (reboot)

drakonis	drakonis said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)
	Dragon you kicking and screaming... I guess it is hard to be bored with dragons about... Doug, thanks for stopping in and leaving a comment on this early piece of mine. Making you smile is way high on my list of accomplishments! ttfn, Drakonis Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

Feter	Feter said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)
	A Round & Bach Again And I was thinkin I heard all your songs ??? how I missed this gem ..jee ..this is fabulous and outstanding genious ..I love goldneberg sound this is alot of that ..wonderfull Draki ...realy well written ..KUDOS !! Check out my latest song called Roll with it

drakonis

drakonis said 1872 days ago (April 6th, 2008)

surprise...
I have to hide some of my old songs from you... if you heard ALL of my music, then I would have nothing left to give you for months! This poor slow dragon. Thank you Feter, for your constant support and generous ear. Comparing this to a Goldberg variation is an extraordinary compliment, if only I were that good. But I will strive to head in that direction... writing a fugue is still on my list to tackle, and I'm getting closer. Thank you for listening and enjoying!
ttfn,
Drakonis

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stooey	stooey said 1873 days ago (April 4th, 2008)
	Thanks for sharing I really like the title. Bach's name is great for that. My wife has a shirt that says Front on the Front (duh), but on the back it says Bach. Someday Schwartzenegger will star in his life story when he can say "I'll be Bach!" Sorry. Couldn't resist. A simple little ditty, but I thought it was catchy. I liked it. Check out my latest song called Loop It Oldfieldlian

drakonis

drakonis said 1872 days ago (April 6th, 2008)

simple is me
front... bach... sometimes simple is good. Glad you enjoyed the wordplay (though not many people caught the other, obscure, Hobbit reference in the title.) This piece is what happens when an experiment piece takes on a life of its own. But it was fun to do, and just as fun to share. Thanks for stopping in to peek at it and kindly leave a comment, I appreciate that!
ttfn,
Drakonis

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	said 1820 days ago (May 27th, 2008)
	A Round & Bach Again v3/Final by drakonis I quite enjoyed the simplicity of the begining, and showing 'how you build the song' --it not only teaches, but it's intriguing and catchy! I like how each addition is built upon and augmented!

drakonis	drakonis said 1820 days ago (May 27th, 2008)
	bach boogie I had fun with this, and kept adding "one more round" as it got sillier... glad it got stuck in your head... thank you for checking out some of my early pieces, writing this simple piece was teaching ME things too! ttfn, Drakonis Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

MarkHolbrook	MarkHolbrook said 1653 days ago (November 10th, 2008)
	In a simple music lesson the Dragon creates a world masterpiece... How wonderful is this!? Check out my latest song called My 911

kassia	kassia said 1158 days ago (March 20th, 2010)
	very nice playful and wonderfully stacked. this is a great little round with some fun instrument choices. i like it! Check out my latest song called Greensleeves

drakonis	drakonis said 1158 days ago (March 20th, 2010)
	Snuck past a grand pianist... whew! Very glad you liked it, Shay! Thought you could do with something playful. Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

Velvet_Audio_Lab	Velvet_Audio_Lab said 1158 days ago (March 20th, 2010)
	Great tune Eduard,,, Being picky here that double bass just doesn't have the right tone and warmth, but that's easy fixed. Great effort Check out my latest song called Embers of Velvet

drakonis	drakonis said 1158 days ago (March 20th, 2010)
	easy for YOU to say... easy with the right Bass samples... but due to your kind offer, this fun ditty is about to get a big face-lift, thank you! I'll dust off the bass file and send it your way for a major tune-up! ttfn, Drakonis Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

falcef	falcef said 1092 days ago (May 26th, 2010)
	Round a Bach Salve from Italy. Ha classical fuga bach J.S 1685-1750 beneee ciao bye falcef Check out my latest song called Live-Jam-in-Brentonec-01

drakonis	drakonis said 1091 days ago (May 26th, 2010)
	It is good? Glad you stopped here to listen, Falcef. I need to listen to another of your pieces now. ttfn, Drakonis Check out my latest song called Belle Aire (for Mandolin Orchestra)

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