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The second collaboration between U.K. based Epileptic Gibbon (that's me: lyrics, all vocals, thematic input) and U.S. based Dwwave (all sounds/music).
This song was inspired initially by my thoughts about suicide bombers but it grew more into a song about anyone who uses their beliefs (whether religious, political, or anything else) as an excuse to kill or hurt innocent people. To anyone who thinks that they know what it's all about, maybe you should think again…
Lyrics:
Ezekiel 25:17: "And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious
rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."
Have you got all the answers?
Is your way the best?
Then blow up little children
And put it to the test
Set the charges
Take a life
Become a martyr
Cause some strife
They say killing ain't easy
At least that's true at first
But don't wrap it up in scripture
For you'll only make it worse
Twisted ideologies
Bring the world to its knees
Not all monsters
Come out on All Hallow's Eve
Dreaming in metaphors
Biting our tongues
Innocence died today
As well as right and wrong
Am I being inconsistent?
Contradictions abound?
Carry on with this path
And the devil is crowned
One man and his dogma
It's a merry little tune
The scales they seem unbalanced
It's Judgement Day real soon
Hardware:
David: Line 6 Variax Guitar on Rickenbacker 360 12 string setting
(guitar is heavily processed with a Vox Tonelab amp modleler/effects processor) and GB track editor.
M-Audio Radium 49 mdid controller for software instruments
Shure SM57 microphone
Various loops
Ian: Behringer condenser mic
Tascam US-122
Mac G5
My voice
Sticky Spider-man T-shirt
Software:
GarageBand
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I hope yours isn't a competitive household... &mdash 08/04/05 - 08:23:03 AM
... Eppy, because if it is, it's game on. This is very good.
dwwaves's deceptively soft track is a perfect backdrop for
Ian's tight-lipped anger. [ Reply to This ]
I hope yours isn't a competitive household... &mdash 08/04/05 - 03:51:02 PM
I'm not in yours and Rebsie's league yet but it's just really nice to get my
second track out there, finally. Thanks for the kind comments, Mando, I
really appreciate them. "Tight-lipped anger"… I like it, you silver-
tongued devil you! ;-)
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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I hope yours isn't a competitive household... &mdash 08/04/05 - 03:52:55 PM
And you're right, Dwwave's stuff does create a perfect background. It was
a pleasure working with him again.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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I hope yours isn't a competitive household... &mdash 08/04/05 - 07:52:10 PM
It is a interesting scenario, especially now that Eppy and I are colloborating as
well.
I have read the comments and enjoyed each one(Thanks) , I look forward to
working
again with Eppy, We seem to work well together, and no conflicts. I really
enjoyed the collaboration and glad this turned out the way it did. I like spoken
word pieces.
Who knows what is next?
Take Care
dwwave
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dwwave [ Reply to This ]
I hope yours isn't a competitive household... &mdash 08/08/05 - 12:52:30 PM
Who knows where next, indeed. Glad you enjoyed working with me again,
dwwave. It was great fun for me too.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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Groovy tune &mdash 08/04/05 - 12:51:52 PM
Nice to see a little message in some music. Definitely good stuff. The background loop is catchy and the vocals are calmly powerful. Keep up the good work. I enjoyed listening. [ Reply to This ]
Groovy tune &mdash 08/04/05 - 05:42:31 PM
Glad you enjoyed listening. Always nice to be appreciated. Really enjoyed
working on this track, despite the negativity in the lyrics. Great catharsis
given the powerlessness I felt over all this death and destruction driven
by ideology. Oh, yes, there is fun to be had in this sort of stuff, really. ;-)
Great that you enjoyed the loops - Dwwave worked long and hard on
selecting and fiddling with those loops and I think it shows. I hope we're
gonna work on more tracks together. Thanks again for stopping by.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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Word-em up &mdash 08/04/05 - 02:29:07 PM
Spoken word, is a bit of a lost art-form these days. Even
though it's not popular, don't stop, push forward, and
make it your own. people will come around, eventually.
Nice track [ Reply to This ]
Word-em up &mdash 08/04/05 - 05:54:49 PM
Thanks, dude. I did think about singing this rather than speaking it but
just couldn't find the right vocal melody. Maybe some other time… But as
long as you and others think that the spoken word stuff works then I'm
willing to persevere. Dwwave and I seem to enjoy doing it so I think we'll
carry on. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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WOW! &mdash 08/04/05 - 04:42:18 PM
Great combination of soft, subtle tune with strong, yet mildly
presented message. Have always found spoken word is more
difficult, but you pulled it off brilliantly! [ Reply to This ]
WOW! &mdash 08/04/05 - 06:16:35 PM
Thanks muchly, dude. Really appreciate your comments. Excellent! I'll be
looking forward to finishing our collaboration soon, though it's gonna be
somewhat different from this one! ;-)
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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Nice one &mdash 08/05/05 - 03:38:11 PM
This works really well ... the music bed is just right, it
stays interesting all the way through without distracting
from the vocal. Eppy, it's great to hear you trying some
voice-work at last. You'll be singing next, eh? (hint hint) [ Reply to This ]
Nice one &mdash 08/06/05 - 11:07:55 AM
Many thanks, Rebsie. I really appreciate your comments, you know that,
and this one was particularly nice. Thanks for the positive thoughts…
and I'm sure Dwwave is just as grateful. As for me singing, well, let's just
say I'm working on it… watch the skies, er, I mean watch the new songs
page.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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nice background music &mdash 08/05/05 - 06:22:55 PM
to carry this knife-edged message... the music is perfect to
support your great delivery of verse. Good job guys!
ttfn,
Drakonis [ Reply to This ]
nice background music &mdash 08/06/05 - 11:11:23 AM
Thanks so much, Drak. We both really appreciate your comments/
compliments. "Knife-edged message"… hmmm, really like that. Has a
great ring to it.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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ian, david... &mdash 08/06/05 - 03:23:06 AM
this has been such an interesting listen - maybe you could try something pinker and fluffier next time - this is great but i had to listen to it from behind the sofa!! nice work you two - thank you x [ Reply to This ]
ian, david... &mdash 08/06/05 - 01:53:39 PM
Caroline,
Glad you found it interesting, particularly as I know it isn't really your
sort of thing. David and I might very well be working on something
fluffier, but white will be a more appropriate colour for it and it may have
to wait until later in the year so come back to us then. I hope you've
come out from behind the sofa now… nice to know that our track has a
certain Dalek-like quality to it! ;-) Thanks for listening.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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ah, a poet ye are... &mdash 08/06/05 - 03:18:05 PM
ah, a poet ye are... &mdash 08/06/05 - 04:07:55 PM
Thanks for commenting, CJ. Wish it wasn't the truth mind.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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Nice backing track to the spoken verse... &mdash 08/07/05 - 12:35:37 AM
You've both done a very good job here, Eppy. The tension
and 'cut' to your voice matches well with the backing track
that Dwwave has provided. The unsettling ending (almost
erratic) is an effective device of tension as well.
I'd almost agree with caroline and say: Make
something pink and fluffy (and sparkly) next time, but I do
like the honesty of this piece.
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Nice backing track to the spoken verse... &mdash 08/08/05 - 01:12:49 PM
Thanks so much, Mysti. As I've said to you before, I really appreciate
your votes, comments and opinions. I think you're right, this was a good
combined effort. Sorry if it's a little unsettling but to be honest that's
absolutely what I wanted from this track and Dwwave has provided the
kind backdrop that the lyrics were crying out for.
And if you want something more pink and fluffy, well Dwwave and I are
in the first stages of working on it but it may take some time. In the
meantime, check out my vocals on Nisper's new track (Loose Anna
Version 2).
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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absolutely fenominal &mdash 08/08/05 - 04:49:03 PM
The lyrics are fenominal ... so intelligent I love this song.... the truth speaks i love music that can make you think GREAT JOB!! keep it up this is my favorite [ Reply to This ]
absolutely fenominal &mdash 08/08/05 - 05:28:56 PM
Really pleased to hear that you liked the lyrics. They just splurged out at
an emotionally driven time for me. You might also like my other
collaboration with the mighty dwwave (see the link on my page or his).
Thanks for listening.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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absolutely fenominal &mdash 08/08/05 - 04:49:09 PM
The lyrics are fenominal ... so intelligent I love this song.... the truth speaks i love music that can make you think GREAT JOB!! keep it up this is my favorite [ Reply to This ]
absolutely fenominal &mdash 08/08/05 - 05:31:47 PM
Thanks, but I heard you the first time. ;-)
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton
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absolutely fenominal &mdash 08/08/05 - 04:49:09 PM
The lyrics are fenominal ... so intelligent I love this song.... the truth speaks i love music that can make you think GREAT JOB!! keep it up this is my favorite [ Reply to This ]
The sentiment &mdash 08/09/05 - 12:46:42 PM
The sentiment &mdash 08/10/05 - 08:49:14 AM
Thanks, PV. I appreciate you stopping by.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
interesting &mdash 08/09/05 - 07:10:31 PM
i enjoyed listening. its a unique presentation of your
statement.
thought that id be even better if you digitise your voice
a bit more? but maybe its just my personal taste.
still liked it very much this way. [ Reply to This ]
interesting &mdash 08/10/05 - 09:06:02 AM
Thanks loads for the comment. I'm not a huge fan of my voice on this…
but I wanted to differentiate between the effects on the first part of the
track and the rest of the spoken word bit. Thanks for the feedback and
we're both glad you enjoyed it, despite your reservations.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
I like it. &mdash 08/10/05 - 03:29:58 PM
I like your sentiments, a sense of frustration creeping in
might have increased the tension ala Talking Heads. Maybe
could be a little longer. Great track thanks for sharing. [ Reply to This ]
I like it. &mdash 08/11/05 - 05:01:41 PM
Thanks for the comments. Much appreciated. Maybe a David Byrne-style
level of craziness/paranoia would have worked with this. I hadn't really
considered it but I can see how it would have fitted nicely. Of course I'd
much rather David Byrne had just done the vocals in the first place, but
you can't have everything, can you? Thanks again for commenting.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
A little hot . . . &mdash 08/10/05 - 05:48:04 PM
. . . on the vocals. Overpowering.
I'd add some phase effect or SOMEthing on them so they
are less up front and more integrated into the overall feel.
You were a little slushy-mouthed at times too.
Enunciation is HARD, innit?
Well written words with great moments "A man and his
dogma" (tho in the US it's "a boy and his dog")
A bit heavy and controversial for my taste. Then again,
look at how many hits plays and comments it got too . . . [ Reply to This ]
A little hot . . . &mdash 08/11/05 - 05:15:48 PM
Thanks, Troy. It means a lot to me that you've commented.
You're not the only one to suggest that maybe there should be some
kind of effect on the vocals. I wasn't sure how much I could get away
with and didn't want to push it, but you could be right.
I speak in public for a large part of my living so I know how important
enunciation is, and I also know that despite regular practice I'm not the
best person at it. With this track the balance was between enunciating
and getting across a certain mood. I could have made it clearer and more
precise but perhaps lost some of the "tightly-lipped anger" in the
process. Maybe not, I don't know. But it did seem to me to about balance
and maybe I didn't quite get the balance right on this occasion.
A man and his dogma was a joke for Brits, sorry to exclude the rest of
the world. ;-)
Heavy and controversial is not necessarily my normal preference either
but I thought the occasion and my mood warranted it. I'm hoping the
next collab with dwwave will be light and fluffy. ;-)
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Which God, which Devil? &mdash 08/21/05 - 08:28:51 PM
Very interesting words and music. The soft background
serves the words well. Contradictions do abound in this
ever contracting twisting snake of a world. There is so
much horror that has been committed in the history of
this sad earth in the name of god and country that I
sometimes feel that, if it exists, heaven or paradise must
be quite a lonely place no matter what your religion or
beliefs.
Loved the ending after the words. The ever spreading
distance between the sounds and the decreasing volume
seemed to sum up the hopelessness of the human
condition. [ Reply to This ]
Which God, which Devil? &mdash 08/27/05 - 04:31:27 PM
Thanks, Bronco. It sounds like you really got to the heart of the words
and the music. I think dwwave's background suits this track perfectly… it
took us a while to get what we wanted and I'm glad that others feel it
works too. The more I thought about the subject matter of this song the
more worried I was about being too simplistic, patronizing or reactionary
… those things never work – but I hope you feel we got the right balance.
And isn't that ending just a kicker?… again dwwave got it just right, I
think. I loved that effect and I'm glad you do too. Thanks so much for
listening and commenting.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Lerrit Out! &mdash 08/25/05 - 05:14:29 PM
Cool track, guys. Great music and interesting lyrics. Ian, I
think you need to let go a little more and let the emotion
come out more. It's good as it is but I'm sure you can give
more (and you'd enjoy it!!). [ Reply to This ]
Lerrit Out! &mdash 08/29/05 - 08:45:04 AM
Thanks for listening and commenting. We both appreciate it. Maybe
you're right about allowing more emotion through on this vocal
performance but I kinda wanted to imply a simmering tension… still not
sure whether that's what comes across or, if it does, whether it works or
not, but that's how it will stay for now. Maybe dwwave and I will revisit it
sometime and I'll try the vocal again…
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Two Worlds Here &mdash 08/27/05 - 05:52:19 PM
Carefree background track to highlight the contrast of our
enjoyment and appreciation of life versus these OCD hate
freaks from another millenium. We need to reload our
ICBM's with prozac and tunes like this and maybe they will
start to realize that praying 5 times a day and blaming
everyone else for their misery is only screwing up their
backs and potential value to the world in which the rest of
us thrive. Pathetic little bastards.
Rock on my Brother! [ Reply to This ]
Two Worlds Here &mdash 08/29/05 - 09:24:55 AM
Thanks for listening, Grid. I wanted to avoid singling out any one religion
… it was more about how dogma and belief can be used to defend any
action, even killing. Thanks for the support, though. Keep on rockin'!
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Interesting... &mdash 08/29/05 - 03:06:07 PM
The number of comments, but low votes... I totally dug
this! Groove'n I thought, but I don't get the low votes. I
won't bother to read the comments to see what happened,
because I heard what I needed to hear about this.
Excellent job.
Cydniko [ Reply to This ]
Interesting... &mdash 09/05/05 - 04:44:07 PM
Cyd, that's a novel approach to voting and commenting… ignoring the
existing votes and comments and just listening and responding. It seems
to be quite rare… even I'm sometimes driven by what has gone before
but I appreciate you voting & commenting just on what you hear. Really
glad you liked it too. Hopefully dwwave and I will be collaborating again
on something real soon. Thanks again for listening without prejudice. It
means a lot coming from an decidedly talented fellow like your good
self.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Great &mdash 09/02/05 - 03:36:36 PM
What a great track. The mix is very good - I love that drum
track, it's great. Lyrics are very clever too, I like the
suppressed anger that is throughout the lyrics and the voice.
For me, the backing track is great - I love everything that's
going on in it. [ Reply to This ]
Great &mdash 09/15/05 - 04:38:12 PM
Thanks, Anton. Really appreciate your comments (I'm sure Dwwave does
too) and glad you liked the track. How are things going with you trying
to find a guitarist to make your track RAWK?!
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Flawlessly Errie &mdash 09/14/05 - 05:13:35 PM
I never got to say what I thought about this. Of course, I totally dug it! Its usually hard for me to listen to lyrics - Not this one. Easy to hear, and more than just once, as I'm on my fourth listen. Very powerful stuff!!!
Heavy duty lyrics and just the right amount of groove. Your cadence and flow are flawless. You are an inspiration to me, as I try to ramp up to do a vocal piece, It may be the spoken word. Do another one please, because this is exactly what I want to hear when I think of the 'spoken word'
Can't way t hear more.
Cydniko [ Reply to This ]
Flawlessly Errie &mdash 09/15/05 - 04:51:03 PM
Cyd, I can't say how much I appreciate your comments. And coming from
such a talented guy as yourself, well it means all the more. Very
encouraging! And you've gotta go for a vocal piece yourself! I look
forward to hearing it. And dwwave and I are gonna do another one.
Actually dwwave posted a new solo one last week, which is worth hearing
but it got widely ignored. When I find some spare time I'm gonna work
on some more lyrics and then we'll post our new one. It may be
something seasonal… Thanks again, Cyd.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
hate &mdash 09/20/05 - 05:35:11 AM
i was in the midst of one of those hate conversations when i
listened to this, but i like it.
love the sound of it - the quality/tone of your voice very well
with the music.
great words too - esp liked the scripture line. [ Reply to This ]
hate &mdash 10/30/05 - 05:12:39 PM
Thanks, man. I appreciate you taking time out to listen and thanks for
saying such nice things.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Food for thought &mdash 11/18/05 - 08:37:21 PM
A very interesting track. Backing tracks are an excellent backdrop to
the thoughtful rhymes.
And why is it that people with British accents sound better reading
Scripture than anyone else? :-)
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Food for thought &mdash 11/29/05 - 12:32:41 PM
Thanks, John. We both appreciate you taking the time to listen and
comment. Glad you liked it! I think David always lays down some great
backing tracks.
We're about to upload a new track in the next few days actually. This
time it's going to be a Christmas tune, which will be a bit of a departure
for us, but we hope you'll give it a listen and see what you think. Thanks
again!
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Poetry in motion &mdash 12/16/05 - 06:57:33 PM
The vocals are creepy, but in good way.
Lyrics are inspired. Nice dynamics and EQ.
It is a bit too segmented though. I would make
the transition from the purely instrumental section to the
vocals a bit smoother and less abrupt. I'm just throwing it
out there as commentary but the song is excellent.
Good Job [ Reply to This ]
Poetry in motion &mdash 01/02/06 - 10:33:19 AM
Thanks very much for listening and commenting. We appreciate the
positive comments and the constructive criticism. Dwwave and I are still
learning to work as a duo and there is obviously room for improvement.
We'll perhaps work on that transition issue you mention… thanks for
pointing it out, though we're also focusing on our next track now so
perhaps we'll apply your ideas there instead. Cheers!
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Poetry in motion &mdash 12/16/05 - 06:57:36 PM
The vocals are creepy, but in good way.
Lyrics are inspired. Nice dynamics and EQ.
It is a bit too segmented though. I would make
the transition from the purely instrumental section to the
vocals a bit smoother and less abrupt. I'm just throwing it
out there as commentary but the song is excellent.
Good Job [ Reply to This ]
sucks you in &mdash 02/12/06 - 03:05:28 PM
great collaboration. I agree with mandoliquent that soft track is perfect
base for your vocal. pretty thought provoking as well, enjoyed it [ Reply to This ]
sucks you in &mdash 05/24/06 - 12:31:35 AM
Oops, I forgot all about replying to this. I've been so busy lately and we (my wife and I) lost our internet access for about three weeks recently, but we're sorta back now. Thanks for the comment and glad you appreciated what we (dwwave and I) were trying to do here. Thanks so much for stopping by, listening and commenting.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
F A N T A S T I C &mdash 02/18/06 - 08:10:39 AM
I am so digging what you guys have going on here. Oh, makes me
cringe, but I really respect the sentiment. I think you did a fantastic
job. I adore these lines, they are quite powerful. Looking forward to
hearing more of your stuff!! xxoo, your fan, kelli
Twisted ideologies
Bring the world to its knees
Not all monsters
Come out on All Hallow's Eve
Dreaming in metaphors
Biting our tongues
Innocence died today
As well as right and wrong
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F A N T A S T I C &mdash 05/24/06 - 12:38:46 AM
Another comment I forgot about replying to in all the recent craziness. Don't take it personally though. Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful comments here. It's so nice to be appreciated, particularly when it was an issue very close to both our hearts. Unfortunately dwwave and I are no longer working together, but I think you'll find that all the pieces we did together share at least a common thread with this track. Maybe one day one or both of us will do something similar again. Thanks so much for taking the time to listen, digest, and comment.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
trippy &mdash 03/14/07 - 04:15:15 PM
This track is oh so gentle, yet with a great groove. It makes me think of what should be made known early morning Sundays. Its not all sunshine coming thru' the window. I really like it and will listen to more of your stuff. it works really well. Top marks!
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Thanks for coming back &mdash 04/27/07 - 09:06:53 AM
It's rare to get two comments from the same person about the same song so many thanks for coming back for another listen. It's not all sunshine, is it? I wish it was but I don't feel comfortable suggesting it is. I will try to listen some of your music soon too. I know I always say that, but I will really make the effort. Thanks again. I'm hoping that David and I will be working again before too long.
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"You never say please. You never say thank you."
"Please don't be an idiot. Thank you."
-- Bayliss and Pembleton [ Reply to This ]
Cool &mdash 06/20/07 - 11:25:54 AM
feel &mdash 12/17/07 - 06:08:58 PM
feel the trance, the pic is perfect for this piece....good grooves and nice blips and beats....keep up the good work....we need more stuff like this here at MJ....very very cool....peace [ Reply to This ]
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dwwaves's deceptively soft track is a perfect backdrop for
Ian's tight-lipped anger.
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