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_nderscore

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semi-controlled noise, quietness..

inspired by a lot of people here in a lot of different ways. might take a listen or 2 for the tangents to start making sense
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Hits: 6308
Comments: 106
Fans: 30
Plays: 841
Downloads: 231
Votes: 38
Uploaded: Aug 19, 2005 - 11:22:49 AM
Last Updated: Aug 19, 2005 - 01:42:30 PM Last Played: May 07, 2017 - 05:37:21 PM
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Hardware:
G5, apple keyboard
Software:
GB2, albino2, crystal, generator
Comments
perceptualvortex said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Maybe it's that picture
but to me this seems like gliding through the cirrus clouds, gently. I dig the pulse and subtle melodies here. Extra cool.
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Maybe it's that picture
thanks vortex! lookin forward to workin with you on that 'thing'
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said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
yeah
Mr. Under
this is a cool little piece, like the quiet parts
and the ending is very cool.
Nice sounds.

Cheers
_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
yeah
thanks mr. K. i really appreciate the comment & the listen
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MissChaos said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
New Age _nderscore
This is tasty. Textures make my ears tingle. I'm glad I have
my earphones for this one. The panning is fantastic. I think
you're on to something... this "controlled" noise is natural for
you. Remember the sounds as you're standing in line to ride
Space Mountain in Disney World? You ought to sell this to
them. My favorite of yours.
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
New Age _nderscore
thank you, missC. really glad you liked it, your comments mean a lot. space
mountain for sure-round & round in the dark.. mmmmm
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ginz111 said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Nice Work
Nice work _nder!
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Nice Work
thanks, ginz. i'm just starting to get into your stuff..
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thetiler said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Lots and lots of great sounds
You sure have a great list of ideas here in sound.
I can hear even a possible Telestar sound like the original
instrumental. Good going
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Lots and lots of great sounds
thanks, tiler. it's so cool to me that you're diggin this kind of stuff
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K Möller J said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
nice!
Nice! Nice ! Diggin!
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
nice!
thank you! you crank out some unbelievable sounds
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Mystified said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
wow..
I LOVE this, _ndie!!
Ethereal, imaginative. Very very nice!
Thank you for posting this.

Now....one small question. Can I play around with this and
add some ambient vox here and there....?

Can I, can I, please? :)
(I'll email ya!)
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
well, okay. ;)
hey, i'd love to play around with some of your vocals myself.. keep me posted on
the progress
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said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
This is...
exactly what the doctor ordered! I couldn't wait to get this
on my iPod and play it on the home system. Sounded so
crisp and clean thru my Klipsch RF-25's. For some strange
reason this made me feel like I was in the jungle???
Excellent job _nderscore!!!
_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
very cool..
i used a klipsch surround system to put this out.. crank it, baby
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Ed Hannifin said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Neat.
I really like the feel of this...The sounds themselves are full,
they're good sounding...the motion in the piece is nice, too.
Sits on its own nicely, but I could also see it set into some
sort of suite...

Ed
_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Neat.
thank you, ed. i might play around with the suite idea-i really had fun with these
sounds
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hacked_to_pieces said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
albino2, crystal
are some cool synths and you put them to good use here.
As mentioned before really cool use of panning lots of
goodies to listen to in song.


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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
albino2, crystal
thank you, hacked. i appreciate your listen & comments-really enjoy your stuff
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Stun Nutz said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
so...
...that's what a flying "S" sounds like! ...flying through the clowds... Great imagery in this one. Nice detail and effects. I have to DL later and listen on the headphones. (Right now I am on crappy speakers.) I can't believe it's a new tune...you and hacked_to_pieces have been holding out on us for too long!!!!
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
so...
hey man, thanks. sorry i've been away so long-let's get back in the game, shall
we?
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Peter Greenstone said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Dragonfly
That fluttering sound is great. Like I'm riding a dragonfly.
It's very soothing and interesting. I think it could go on
longer. It has that captivating power to hold me for a good
long while, especially if I'm sitting back and trying to relax.
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Stun Nutz said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Dragonfly
...yeah you really could spread this one out, maybe with a slower build...
very rich layering goin' on! You really need good speakers or headphnes
to appreciate that great bottom end fluttering.
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
you again??
where's my fly swatter..
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Dragonfly
yeah-was thinkin about something to do with airy flight, but wasn't consciously
think 'dragonfly'. now that's all i hear! thanks for your comment, peter
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chikoppi said 4353 days ago (August 19th, 2005)
Sing-along
Nice choice of synths. The plucky synth that acts as a bass
has a nice quality. Sort of rounded edges. The blend of
the fluttering, tremelo synth and the occasional buzzing
synth really evoke insects on a warm summer night. The
cicadas outside my window are doing their best to sing
along.

The chord progression is great. Very gental transitions.
Terrific ear for the occasional details as well, like the sub-
bass swells.
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chikoppi said 4352 days ago (August 20th, 2005)
Sing-along
...um, "gentle." Must have been tired.

P.S. I also noticed that you divided the notes of chords among the various
instruments. That voicing works very effectively.

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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Sing-along
thanks, chiko. i always appreciate your in-depth comments & how you listen to
these things. always helpful
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ronnielong said 4352 days ago (August 20th, 2005)
SKIZZZYY!!!
SKIZZZY! There you are!

Kick ass!


Glad to see a NEW tune by the one an only _skizzo..

Really cool Bro..

(Hope I didn't nag ya too much...but it looks like it paid off
...heheheheh :) )


Cheers for sure...(the Guinness is on me...)

;)
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
RONZZZYYLONG!!!
hey brosky. no, the nagging helps-thanks. glad you popped back in here as
well.. you've been missed

cheers from texass!
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said 4352 days ago (August 20th, 2005)
Bravo.
Like music from lucid dreams... I'm sitting here with
headphones clampped over my ears in awe of the sounds
that are coming out of them.
_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Bravo.
oh man, thanks. i love your sounds
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K.I.S.KISMET said 4352 days ago (August 20th, 2005)
Magnetic
I could not help but to be pulled in. Lovely, warm sounds. Excellently produced. I love it! I really like the idea of a suite.
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_nderscore said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Magnetic
thank you much, kismet-glad you enjoyed it
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drakonis said 4352 days ago (August 20th, 2005)
Definitely dragonfly...
perhaps mechanical, but by the end after flying through all
those textures and colors, I swear I was seeing the world
rushing by through multifaceted eyes. Great spatial and
pitch separation, everything felt very crisp and clear, loved
the little chord progression you used a couple times in there.
Very nice! 8s across! DLed/Faved!
ttfn,
Drakonis
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_nderscore said 4350 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Definitely dragonfly...
thanks for 'getting it', drak. appreciate the comment
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said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
SLappin happy schlopper goo!
Sweet diddles nice movin on thy groove! Now i want coco puffs!
_nderscore said 4350 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
cuckoooo
thanks, bizz. cocoa flavored puffery for all!
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jiguma said 4351 days ago (August 21st, 2005)
Fantastic _
This is very, very cool - I love it. What else can I say -
great piece of work _, keep em coming (but duck every
now and again!).
Neil
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_nderscore said 4350 days ago (August 22nd, 2005)
Fantastic _
thanks, jiguma. i've been duckin for the last 6 months! time to poke around
again. thanks a bunch for the comment & listen
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nisper said 4350 days ago (August 22nd, 2005)
bzzz...
...love the bug's wings sound. liked the whole thing, but for
some reason that just stuck with me. great piece _.
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_nderscore said 4349 days ago (August 23rd, 2005)
bzzz...
thank you, nisper!
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DeputyDoofy said 4349 days ago (August 23rd, 2005)
Some good....
good sounds here. Subtle, and yet strange. Kinda Doofy.... oh wait. That would be me. :D
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_nderscore said 4349 days ago (August 23rd, 2005)
;D
thanks doof.. maybe you're rubbing off on me & i'm becoming 'doofified'
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ragurner said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
Another high quality tune
Nice job! I liked the undulation in the underbelly of this
piece. Soothing in a weird way, like being in water.
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_nderscore said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
Another high quality tune
thank you! i'm glad you said 'soothing'.. usually my stuff is fairly prickly. i'm
gonna try to rethink a little
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Warren Smith said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
garden of earthly delights
I'm not sure what "soviette" means - I was thinking it might be the Russian equivalent of a Chevy Corvette, but ever since I read the comment suggesting this was about the adventures of a dragonfly, I can't listen to it and not hear insects flitting around in a garden of earthly delights. At first I thought it ended to soon, but after multiple listenings the length seems fine - short with a nice buzz.
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_nderscore said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
garden of earthly delights
howdy, warren. the name is as ambiguous as the song to leave it open to
interpretation. then it kind of speaks for itself & teaches me something. the idea
of a russion corvette seems totally at odds with itself, doesn't it? but imagine if
they could pull it off-it would be a total monster! heheh. thanks for the listen &
comment
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Eccentrikamerika said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
!!!!!!!!
excellent excellent work, wormulak.
you have indeed presented me with the portal that i
requested.
this resonates.
really resonates and hypnotizes- this is like the
sound of having your eyes closed.
absolutely adore it.

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_nderscore said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
E!!!!!!!!
hey man, thanks. guess what's up next..
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Eccentrikamerika said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
E!!!!!!!!
omg I have a boner

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jgurner said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
Fascinating
Don't know that I can add much more than what's already
been said. Listened a few times and I notice something
different each time around.

Very cool,
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_nderscore said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
Fascinating
hey-that name seems kinda familiar for some reason. thanks for checking this
out & commenting
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_nderscore said 4348 days ago (August 24th, 2005)
THANK YOU
wow. i can't get over the attention this little song has rec'd, &
all of the encouraging comments. it really makes me feel
great that so many of you actually enjoyed this, & pushes me
to try harder. thank you, macjammers
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trackies said 4347 days ago (August 25th, 2005)
Bazar
crazy and kinda spooky, i like it
_nderscore said 4347 days ago (August 25th, 2005)
Bazar
thanks, track
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av01der said 4344 days ago (August 28th, 2005)
Amazing!
This song is fantastic. I'm adding it to my favorites for sure.
I only wish it was longer!
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_nderscore said 4344 days ago (August 28th, 2005)
Amazing!
v01der, thanks for stopping by-glad you liked

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Macaudion said 4341 days ago (August 31st, 2005)
Don't know how I missed this
And, I don't know how this doesn't show up at the top of
the charts...I don't know alot of things, but I do know that
this one is one of few that I've d/l.

Quite intriquing and beyond satifying to my ear... I can't
put my finger on it, but this one appeals to me in a way
that I can't really explain, and maybe that's the something
about the essence of abstract music...again, something
more that I don't know. I felt like I was being bathed in
electric water...just enough current to simulate me in a
most pleasurable way... odd, but true.

Thanks _underscore

Cydniko
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_nderscore said 4340 days ago (August 31st, 2005)
hey cyd
thanks, bud. your words mean a lot. really glad you enjoyed it :)
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MissChaos said 4333 days ago (September 8th, 2005)
help us out here...
I want to know about what "soviette" means. Intriguing title.
Btw, downloaded. ;)
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_nderscore said 4332 days ago (September 9th, 2005)
you asked..
sov i ette n.: 1) soviet+'feminine twist', ie. a gurl w/tough-as-nails exterior &
gooey insides
2) also known as, (AKA) the letter 'S' as in "sneaky" & various other words that
start w/same letter
3) result of a big, hard crushe for all the world to, ummm.. hear
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good boy seldom said 4311 days ago (September 30th, 2005)
cool stuff
I really like the raw feel of this track. Nice sounds you have, they develop
into a very interesting abstract texture. Good job!
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_nderscore said 4311 days ago (September 30th, 2005)
thanks seldom
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said 4310 days ago (October 1st, 2005)
buzzy
and floaty and woody and fluttering insect wings and belly and pretty and
wavy not bouncy and glassy and metally and shiny and dark and sad and
cry and little baby antennas waving near the end!
_nderscore said 4310 days ago (October 1st, 2005)
buzzy
thanks death and thanks and thanks..
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lomarc said 4298 days ago (October 13th, 2005)
Jeje
It's obvious that u feel the music by different way than others... this is the
point for me. Listen to things like this. With no start, with no end... only
magic sound from one speaker to other. Don't stop _nderscore, don't
stop...
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_nderscore said 4298 days ago (October 13th, 2005)
thanks
i really appreciate the encouragement, lomarc
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xjudson said 4283 days ago (October 28th, 2005)
yes
tubular
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_nderscore said 4282 days ago (October 29th, 2005)
yes
thanks for the nod, x
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allsaints said 4280 days ago (October 31st, 2005)
title
I just went through and listened to your songs as you've posted them, and
it's quite interesting to see your development. Your production, which
has always been good, has gotten better, and the complexity of the
tracks, their ability to create mood and evoke thought, their complexity of
layering and juxtaposition, has grown with leaps. You've got a lot of
interesting material. Keep it coming.
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_nderscore said 4280 days ago (October 31st, 2005)
thank you, allsaints
comments like this make it all worth it. really glad you enjoyed. i'm a HUGE fan
of your experiments & your approach to making 'noise'.. that's all everything is,
isn't it?
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atonalis said 4278 days ago (November 1st, 2005)
subtle buzzings and cruntches.
yum yum. some deepfried godness underneath........ wonderful arppegation. simply outstanding. - shawn
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_nderscore said 4277 days ago (November 3rd, 2005)
subtle buzzings and cruntches.
thanks atonalis. i really appreciate you diggin around in my stuff
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obbster said 4272 days ago (November 8th, 2005)
interesting
Great range of sounds and effects on this track. Its extremely well
arranged and produced. Well done.
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_nderscore said 4270 days ago (November 9th, 2005)
interesting
thank you obbster!!!
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1 a.m. said 4217 days ago (January 2nd, 2006)
bzzzzzzzz
mmmmmmmm bzzzzzzzzzzz fluttered scattered fragments of head
space. hedfones. 8888 a fan
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_nderscore said 4211 days ago (January 8th, 2006)
bzzzzzzzz
thanks for stopping by, 1
you're on my list-hope to dig thru your stuff soon
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underdog. said 4197 days ago (January 22nd, 2006)
simplicity is complex
there is a ray lynch-esque ambience in your ping-pong delay that i
sometimes hear KMollerJ using. This song is quite patient, and rater
calming. My only advice would be to fade out the ending becuase it ends
somewhat abrptly.

sincerely,

the other under
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_nderscore said 4196 days ago (January 23rd, 2006)
simplicity is complex
thanks underdog. i'm really enjoying your latest works
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NoData said 4105 days ago (April 24th, 2006)
soundtrack-like...
I like this a lot! I can see it being used as the backdrop for a suspenseful
movie intro - very cool. Nice synth choices too!

Great job!
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_nderscore said 4104 days ago (April 25th, 2006)
soundtrack-like...
thanks mr. data. i really enjoy your work
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chikoppi said 4017 days ago (July 21st, 2006)
Mothra!
I love the giant insect fluttering in my ear! The other whines in the
background, though often very subtle, create the impression of cicadas
on a warm evening. The mallet melody is very smooth and provides a
sense of motion and speed. The other background synths are light and
amorphous - clouds in motion.

Excellent sound design and capture of an aural concept!
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_nderscore said 4009 days ago (July 29th, 2006)
Mothra!
thanks again for the kind words, chiko. i'm still here.. just kinda hanging by a
thread. hope to be back around & getting into mischief in a few months
(surely enuff time for YOU to crank out another tune, right?) take care
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echoroom said 3945 days ago (October 1st, 2006)
gentle machines
The sound of machines talking in their sleep - I loved this... a kind of
melodic ambient. Reminded me a little of some of the tracks on the
Solaris soundtrack (the remake).

I'd like an album of this, please.

Steve
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_nderscore said 3897 days ago (November 18th, 2006)
sorry..
for my delayed response. i really appreciate the comment & listen. take care
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fosod said 3898 days ago (November 17th, 2006)
Alyosha
You are evolving into a creature of sound. That doesn't mean anything but it sounds nice. But that's the point. Snarf.
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_nderscore said 3897 days ago (November 18th, 2006)
thank you
for the comments (& for reminding me to get off my a** & punch out some new stuff)
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SecaMode said 3897 days ago (November 18th, 2006)
Amazing
Truly a beautiful soundscape, I don't even know what to say. It was a pleasure to listen.
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_nderscore said 3897 days ago (November 18th, 2006)
glad you enjoyed, seca
and thanks for taking the time to say so. i'm looking forward to more of your work
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MissChaos said 3833 days ago (January 20th, 2007)
more?
any more music coming? The charts have suffered an _nderscore shortage.
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av01der said 3635 days ago (August 7th, 2007)
The passage of time.
Two years later, this is still one of the most brilliant pieces of music I have ever experienced.

Please create more.
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_nderscore said 3631 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
wow
thanks for the compliment, david. i really enjoy your work as well. i do have some unfinished things here & there that i'm hoping i can get back to soon, but i have not been able to make any noise for quite a while. i miss music & spending more time around here. if things go well, i might be able to kick around some sound again in the next few months. how about some new tunes from v01der?
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prototype said 3631 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
Very good
atmosphere. Could almost imagine it on Another Green World....

Is this the most recent music you have done? No more?

:-(
_nderscore said 3631 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
thanks prototype
always cool to see someone new check out my stuff. i haven't been able to get any music into a machine in a while, but i certainly have sounds running thru my head on a daily basis. i'm working hard to get back to posting again-keep your ears peeled!
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Reinholt56 said 3631 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
OK OK. I admit it.....
Prototype led me here. I'm glad I checked it out.

Really great use of everything you've, er, used here.

I was enthralled with the piece.

I'm ready now and waiting for your next installment.

Paul.
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_nderscore said 3631 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
thanks paul
i haven't checked out your work in a long while-looks like you've cranked out a lot of good stuff since then! i'll try to give a listen when i can & see what i can do about getting some new things out
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said 3629 days ago (August 13th, 2007)
nice song!
a nice trip down Lenin's road. Thanks for this dope tunage!
_nderscore said 3626 days ago (August 16th, 2007)
my pleasure
thanks for having a listen. i'll try to check out more of your work later
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MissChaos said 3621 days ago (August 21st, 2007)
1000
I thought I'd save my 1000th comment for U. Ooops, I mean, _. I really hope you post some of the new stuff you've been playing with. (because it's really good and because it's taking up space on my drive. :-) )

x!
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Char said 3251 days ago (August 25th, 2008)
One listen was not nearly enough.
I think you are tapping into brain rhythms here. And I think it is addictive. I enjoyed the sound and the mood it put me in but I winder why I wanted more. Thanks. 10s!
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_nderscore said 3224 days ago (September 21st, 2008)
thank you.
sorry for the delayed response.. so very glad you enjoyed it!
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Emanyeru said 2479 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Very Interesting Piece
This piece flows along in an interesting way often in a trance like state where the user feels compelled to move with the piece instead of against it. I give this piece a double thumbs up.
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CraizeeMusic said 1758 days ago (September 26th, 2012)
Great work!
I love interesting and odd. This is packed full of interesting and oddities. Thanks for sharing!
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