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This is a song that originally started off as something completely different, with the only similar thing being the time signature. The majority of whats being played in this song was recorded with my only condenser mic... yeah thats right... every part of the drum kit was recorded separately... with good and bad results.

This song is still in its draft form because for starters, I want a soloist in there. Idealy a reed or guitar player, but I'm pretty open to ideas.

I also want any suggestions from people about what works and doesn't work so far. For example, I think the recording of the cymbals worked quite nicely (even though they are dodgy cymbals), but my snare and bass drum sound like cardboard so I might sample them for the final version.

Other than that... this piece is mostly in 17/8, divided up into 3 groups of 4 and one group of 5. There is one slow section (double bass solo) where it becomes 9/4 (alternates between 4 and 5) but thats easier to play to anyway. I'm going for a live 60s 70s or so fusion/beebop type sound and groove... hence the audience at the beginnign and end.

If anyone wants to solo make sure to email and I'll tell you everything you need to know.
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Uploaded: Dec 09, 2005 - 08:33:51 AM
Last Updated: Dec 09, 2005 - 04:59:54 AM Last Played: Sep 11, 2017 - 08:55:48 AM
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Hardware:
Beringer Eurorack UB1002, eMac, Behringer C-1 Condenser Mic, my crappy drum kit and my Gors and Kallman Piano.
Software:
Digital Performer and Garageband for the acoustic bass.
Comments
Einarus said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
Dang!
Awesome beat, although kind of hard to follow. I lost count after a few
beats, then I didn't find it again until after the slow section - that's a good
thing.
I think you're right about the drums, they sound pretty raw compared to
the rest of the ensemble, which is pretty darn smooth. I really like the
cymbals and the rest of the percussion, though.
Now we'll just wait for a brave soloist, for this'll be quite the challenge.
Great!
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Cantor said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
i like the drums how they are
this is GREAT. I love the feel. and despite the drums sounding "raw," i
think it only ads to the recording. makes me feel like the mike was placed
there in the room, closer to the drums. i'm diggin' it. 9's for everyone!
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Cantor said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
i like the drums how they are
this is GREAT. I love the feel. and despite the drums sounding "raw," i
think it only ads to the recording. makes me feel like the mike was placed
there in the room, closer to the drums. i'm diggin' it. 9's for everyone!
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Drew Kopr said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
If I have time
I'll take a stab at some solo stuff or just melodic messings around!
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FEEL said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
Standing ovation
Dig the way this song starts out with the hand clapping, nice touch. Really loose and the way I like it. Great job.

Regards
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perceptualvortex said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
I like
odd meters, and this is smoothly done. The drum sounds, as you say, are cardboardy; but the overall tune is excellent.
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jmt said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
it, overall
Cool tune, daddy-o! The "live" feel to it (not the crowd sounds) was pulled off nicely. The drums didn't bother me that much, although a few tweaks would certainly enhance it, overall... How about a melodica solo?
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The Composer said 4332 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
it, overall
One of the things I used to try and get the live sound was to record the
recording from another room (played the track on some speakers in one
room loudly then had my mics set up in another) and just added a little
reverb to that track aswell... was a much better effect than when I was just
plain reverb for some reason.

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The Composer said 4331 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
it, overall
Oh yeah, thanks for the comments

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Cori Ander said 4300 days ago (January 10th, 2006)
it, overall
Clever ... Thanks for the tip!
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Alannah said 4331 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
This just might be ....
the "new" jazz ......
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Stun Nutz said 4331 days ago (December 9th, 2005)
Like fine wine...
...you can just tell it's good music from the first few notes. The
rhythm and bass combo really give this life and the "offbeat" time
signature propels it along in such a unique way. Piano is well
played... this sounded live to me and the cymbals sounded fine to
my ears, although I am listening on cheap speakers right now with
the volume not too loud. Great ending, too... a good ending
means a lot to you , I can tell.
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selters said 4331 days ago (December 10th, 2005)
nice clapping
Nice applause and clapping. Like the rhytm and beats on
this a lot. very nice drums in genera, and yes the symbals
seem very well recordedl. I would hav loved to hear a piece
like that this at a dirty Jazz club in a late and dark hour. Very
nice bassline and i like piano like thisa lot! Thanks for sharing!
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atonalis said 4331 days ago (December 10th, 2005)
very cool.
smokey jazz ala '70's lounge style. wonderful composition. made great use of shuffle..... and the sliop of odd time signatures didn't seem so odd. the piano was on point.... notmuch to say really. i loved the "crappy" drum sounds on this...... it seems appropriate..... he he. (they aren't crappy at all). excellent. - shawn
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Ed Klingenberger said 4331 days ago (December 10th, 2005)
Cool
The crowd noise was a nice touch to this recording. But that's beside
the point. Great job of making the odd meters feel as comfortable as
possible. The cardboard-y drum sounds work for the vibe to this track.
It's not like most recordings made in the 60s and 70s had pristine
drum sounds in the first place...

Anyways, very cool stuff here. I dig it.
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alley-oop said 4330 days ago (December 10th, 2005)
This really goood!!!
Very unique. Cool groove for sure. Mesmerizing bass riff. Everything
has that cool cool open jazz feel. I hear a trumpet solo in there. You
should ask that Russian cat who's been hanging around. I'm not sure of
his name but he smokes. This a very nice groove. I not sure of the
crowd though,
I think this is a great tune
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The Composer said 4330 days ago (December 10th, 2005)
This really goood!!!
About the russian cat... I think you're talking about jazzru (Vladimir
Galaktionov). That would be absolutely fantastic... just begs the question of
'how do you go about asking someone like that to play?" Will have to ask
Drakonis about that because he's the only one I've seen so far that has
Vladimir playing in his songs so far. Thanks for the suggestion though

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JOAN said 4330 days ago (December 11th, 2005)
very nice
sounds like something danilo perez would do or bad plus with the time
sig. as for the drums. i too think they sound fine except the snare
sounds heavilly stepped on with fx but the rest of the kit sounds
natural . which doesn't allow them to sound like they are from the
same live kit.
but totally digging what you are doing here. keep it up!
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The Composer said 4330 days ago (December 11th, 2005)
very nice
Heavily FXed? Interesting... I think I used a little EQ... but unfortunately, thats
just mostly how it turned out in the recording... I don't own a great kit by
anymeans. Thanks for the comments though.

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ka-klick said 4330 days ago (December 11th, 2005)
Very Live Feel
I don't know if I'd change a thing, I'd say it's the snare tone that gives it a
real live '60s feel.
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alanfraser said 4330 days ago (December 11th, 2005)
7-8-7-8
Good feel to it and it will be interesting to hear how it sounds when it's
finished. The drums, as you say, are weak but that wasn't a huge
problem as they don't have to be that strong anyway.
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ziti said 4330 days ago (December 11th, 2005)
bravo
nice work composer!!!
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Doadars Uncle said 4329 days ago (December 12th, 2005)
Very open!
Great feel! It's alive!
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Tadashi Togawa said 4328 days ago (December 13th, 2005)
Twining string
Bryan
This is a very interesting attempt.
I feel your talent.

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Tadashi Togawa said 4328 days ago (December 13th, 2005)
Twining string
Bryan
This is a very interesting attempt.
I feel your talent.

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Tiny_Man_Inside said 4328 days ago (December 13th, 2005)
cool beans
Hip, mod, and off the beaten path all at the same time. I love your characterization of "my crappy drum kit". I would like to hear the kick drum more, but the cymbol stuff you play does a great job of driving the rhythm.

The bass feels very real for something that was programmed. Kudos - every time I've tried to program bass in GB, it sounds like butt - I had to suck it up and go out and buy myself a bass instead.

I'm not sure if has a real "live" feel to it. I'd actually expect a little more reverb on the master track to give the ambiance of the room. Maybe a little hint of crowd noise through the recording - at the end it seems a bit abrupt. Not sure if it's "bopping' enough to be real bebop, but definitely has the fusion bit down.

The weird thing about this jam is that I kept almost expecting a crushingly heavy guitar to come in with some carny-esque Tool tom-fills. The overall rhythmic feel would work just as well with a prog rock song a la Lateralus.

Overall, I love the rhythmic feel, I just wish the drums were mixed to give a bit more snare and lot more kick. Your stuff is quickly zooming to the top of my favorites - interesting and introspective while also maintaining a very accessible feel.

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urbnite said 4327 days ago (December 14th, 2005)
nice
i don't care what the time signature of this is, it's cool.

if you want the signature to be emphasized, i wonder if it might be of
value to add even more emphasis to the 17th beat? would help bring
the ear back into time when you get lost in there.

i like the emphasis on the bassline - like i said in chat, it reminds me
of miles' pre-fusion stuff. would like to hear the piano a bit higher in
the mix, though - it's some good playing. makes me want to hear a
crazy solo!

my biggest problem with this i guess is that it isn't live... i feel that
jazz needs to be live - that's what gives it its real energy... put this on
a stage with a full ensemble and i'm sold!
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donbot24 said 4327 days ago (December 14th, 2005)
Interesting stuff
Very interesting, typical jazz style drumming - syncopated rhythms, lots of cymbal use. Being a drummer my self i loved the time sig. Great work

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mandolinquent said 4325 days ago (December 16th, 2005)
OK, I admit...
Jazz in eccentric meters usually brings me out in hives. But this really,
really works. There's something very human and organic about the way
you feel this circular, shifting rhythm - I think a lot to do with the fact
that you've left the drum and bass patterns in the really simple, making
sense of the signature. I'd also suggest that maybe kcsaito could make
something of this. I know he's another piano player, but I think he has
a great ear for jazz melody.
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allsaints said 4325 days ago (December 16th, 2005)
title
Great piece, enjoyable even by itself. Can't wait to hear it with some
solos. The interesting thing would be to get a variety of different
approaches to the solos, i.e. instumentation and instrument, and see just
how different they are from one another.
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classicalman04 said 4324 days ago (December 17th, 2005)
neat
interesting sound. crazy beat stuff
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dreadmon said 4323 days ago (December 18th, 2005)
Wicked cool
This is a great piece; it flows quite nicely and the production is superb. Very spacious - I especially love the piano. Like sitting in At My Place in Santa Monica with a martini and a huge stog. Beauty.
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said 4318 days ago (December 23rd, 2005)
Very Herbie
circa mid-late 1960's. Also reminiscent of some stuff 10 years ago by
Henry Threadgill's Very Very Circus.
Too bad all the midi saxes sound dodgy, you could put in a woodwind
section and maybe a trombone or two yourself.
said 4318 days ago (December 23rd, 2005)
Very Herbie
I agree completely with what I wrote under my nom-de-loop Death Nougat.

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Leon said 4308 days ago (January 2nd, 2006)
Bold..adventurous
if I missed this song a few weeks ago, i must have been really out of the
loop. not much of a jazz afficionado here, but I can appreciate a great
piece of instrumental when i hear one, regardless of style...This is very
innovative.. and for me breaks some new ground in terms of
experimentation with sounds and arrangements... Very daring and bold in
approach without losing its grip on musical appeal...
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Cori Ander said 4300 days ago (January 10th, 2006)
Great !
Wow such a great job! Amazing live presense! Nice music too! Good
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AEROjet said 4300 days ago (January 10th, 2006)
This is sweet
Hey, this is an excellent porduction. I'm amazed at how identical it sounds
to a live performance.
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VicDiesel said 4262 days ago (February 17th, 2006)
Fine groove
17 is pretty unusual, not? I once did 13.....

This flows remarkable well. Someone who wasn't paying attention could
just be nodding their head and never, eh, skip a beat.

Ok, the drums don't sound that great, but the piano and bass sound very
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