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Time is Money and other Recording Tips for Teens by pooey [Email]
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Part of me thinks I should take no credit for this piece whatsoever. I mean, it is my band students who created the mini-compositions that you hear layered (8 different compositions to be exact).

But then part of me thinks I should take credit. When you think of nature photography, for example, the artist certainly didn't create the scenery. But if it weren't for the photographer actually getting out there and doing it, there would be no photos. No i didn't compose the different pieces, but I did inititiate the project, and I did record it. And of course in a stunnutzian moment of bliss I couldn't resist listening to all tracks at the same time. Beautiful!

There actually is a form to this piece: ABA. A: attempt the pieces, B: try to give advice to the musicians as to how they can improve, and A: attmept the piece again. Much like a recapitulation I guess. Anyways... I love this.

Oh, plus you get an intimate view inside one of my band classes. I love it when my saxophonist keeps asking me "Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Mitchell...I can't make the low notes..." and I totally didn't hear it at the time.

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my head = freshly squeezed &mdash 05/11/06 - 10:18:33 PM
Great conceptual piece! Had to go into my smelly garage (I just
brought some foul garbage out there a while earlier), open the
minivan, and dig my headphones out of my work bag. I wanted to
hear every little nuance. I listened many times. I ate a few
cookies, fed the cat, came back and listened some more.

Man, it would be fun to be able to record stuff such as this... oh,
the possibilities! Those layered tones are so expressive in their
see-saw twistiness. Thanks for posting this. It was interesting to
hear your interaction with the students as well. More more more!
I love it.

I started thinking about an interpretive dance that could be done
with this... hmmm...

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my head = freshly squeezed &mdash 05/15/06 - 09:38:47 PM
I'll drink to that. I hadn't even really given it much thought (the possibilities),
or the thought I have given it I haven't really acted upon it. I do have this big
piece in mind that will involve the band and the school choir. That will be
cool if I can make it happen.

When I first thought of listening to all the compositions at once I thought
"Yeah, and I can call it a modern piece!" But when I listened to it it actually
struck me as something viable. I was surprised and thrilled.

I don't know how much actual music theory you have, Stun, but if you ever
want to compsoe some kind of conceptual piece, I would bemore than happy
to rehearse it with my kids and record it. You don't even need notes and time
meters and time signatures. Just use shapes and lines and the students can
go from that (like John Cage liked to do). The invite is always there.

Thanks for the comment Stun!

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My Wife <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/18379">Revealed</a>

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my head = freshly squeezed &mdash 05/18/06 - 08:16:39 AM
Wow... thanks for the offer... I have been thinking about it off and on since you
suggested it a few days ago. Maybe I will take you up on it...

Oh, and I do have some music theory knowledge (from my many years of piano
and clarinet), but I have forgotten most of it!!! Reading sheet music has become
difficult for me lately... someday I may get back into it.

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my head = freshly squeezed &mdash 05/18/06 - 08:16:49 AM
Wow... thanks for the offer... I have been thinking about it off and on since you
suggested it a few days ago. Maybe I will take you up on it...

Oh, and I do have some music theory knowledge (from my many years of piano
and clarinet), but I have forgotten most of it!!! Reading sheet music has become
difficult for me lately... someday I may get back into it.

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takes me back... &mdash 05/12/06 - 06:49:21 AM
and I remember why I no longer play clarinet from high school marching
band. And even back then, I had such sympathy for our band instructor,
one of the most patient men in the universe. I wonder what ever
happened to the flute players, boy they were cute. ;-) Great piece of
nostalgia... thank you for sharing this snippet!
ttfn,
Drakonis

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takes me back... &mdash 05/18/06 - 03:24:36 PM
Thanks for the comments! I'm glad I was able to help you reminisce. You've
focused on the concrete details of the piece--that's its actually a look inside a
band class, and I love your perspective.

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My Wife <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/18379">Revealed</a>

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Lovely! &mdash 05/15/06 - 10:47:09 AM
Lovely indeed! Were the student mini-compositions improv-based, or
have you ever tried some improv-based composition with the students?
Are you familiar with Murray Schaefer's "The Composer in the Classroom?"
Thanks for this!

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Lovely! &mdash 05/15/06 - 09:32:12 PM
Thanks! Yeah, the R. Murray Schaefer thing. I did that once when I was
student
teaching, but haven't since. So I know exactly what you are talking about, but
no it wasn't. I basically gave them an empty score with one stave per
instrument and told them to put random notes down, but keep it to white
notes. Just a break-the-ice type project to let them know that they can
compose (of course composing well is a whole other thing!).



I had thought of posting each composition individually and have everyone
listen and rate them, but that would be like me to try and get out of marking.
Currently we are doing a composition with chromatic notes and talking about
line and texture. Should be interesting.



Thanks for the comment! BTW, love your latest post. I think I will play it for
my students as an example of 20th century music that is actually enjoyable
(for some reason they don't like Morton Feldman!!!).

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My Wife Revealed

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Lovely! &mdash 05/16/06 - 05:50:17 AM
Thanks for the lengthy reply!

I've done the Murray Schaefer thing with junior high school students. We
have something called "mini-courses" every year, where school kids get to
visit the university department of their choice to get a little taste of what the
university is like, and a lot of them want to come to our School of Music. It
lasts three or four days, and we keep 'em busy with all kinds of neat stuff. In
fact it's happening right now.

Anyway, the point of this is that I've tried the free-form improvised
composition thing, guided by imagery of the students' own construction, and
it always (ALWAYS!) works really well. It's a self-empowerment exercise, and
demystifies the composition process for the kids, both of which are really
valuable. You don't need to be a genius to compose; you just need to be able
to discriminate between sounds you like and sounds you don't, and you also
need to be stubborn enough to keep at it until you come up with something
you like. That's it. All the skills (harmony, counterpoint, orchestration,
knowledge of stylistic differences) can be learned as a result of this process,
when the student is ready to learn them. Most of the time, we teach those
skills independently of any context, so it's no wonder so many students find
theory courses boring!

Thanks for your comment on my newest piece for orchestra! I would be thrilled if you
played it for your students, and, if possible, if you played the second
movement as well ("Interlude for String Orchestra"), and let me know what their
reactions are to each. Students are usually pretty honest about their
reactions (probably because they don't have to worry about being point-
bombed!), and it's incredibly valuable for me to hear what people honestly
think. If the music isn't reaching people, I need to know that, so I can do
something different!

Morton Feldman is definitely an acquired taste. It requires lots and lots
and lots of time, and an empty mind, and most of us lack these.

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New work for live orchestra.

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This is one interesting wreck &mdash 01/17/07 - 02:31:42 AM
Reminds me of a broken record way out of sync

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