Edge of Reason (Ein/Ziti)

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Einarus and I have collaborated several times now. He is a remarkable musician and composer, and a very nice young man as well. He also writes the best music for guitar ! It's like there is a Jimi in there dying to get out...lucky for me he always gives me first shot at his remarkable compositions to do the guitar on.
And I LOVE to play these things...I hear so many parts that the job is to pick the right one. We worked pretty hard on this one, and ein left me a LOT of space to play. We decided that we wanted a real melody not just 5 minutes of me blasting away....

Thank you einarus, for giving me these songs to play..they are jewels!!!

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Song Stats

Hits: 3299
Comments: 51
Fans: 23
Plays: 548
Downloads: 141
Votes: 32
Uploaded: Jul 22, 2006 - 09:15:56 PM
Last Updated: Jul 22, 2006 - 09:19:08 PM Last Played: Nov 16, 2009 - 01:14:21 PM

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Song Actions

Keywords:

ziti/ein (1)

Hardware:

Ein's Stuff
My Blue PRS (sapphire)
Line6Pod

Software:

I use GB.....Ein used something else

Comments

theheiseys	theheiseys said 1218 days ago (July 22nd, 2006)
	awesome incredible work. nice flowing sound, satriani/vai/johnson/hoey sound going on with the guitar but with your own flavor and twist to it. love the sound the PRS has. wish I had one too. ahh yes but wish in one hand and do you know what in the other and tell me which fills quicker.... :) Keep up the incredible work Check out my latest song called I'm In Love...With You

ziti

ziti said 1217 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

awesome
thanks so much....I really am enjoying this particular song. Einarus's material
is a dream to play...always. But this song was special...I really like the melody
played in the lower register like that. Sounds to me like some sort of
futuristic surf music or something. I had two weeks emersed in this song and
all the sonic possibilities therein....we may release an acoustic guitar
version...

Check out my latest song called All Smokey

jiguma	jiguma said 1218 days ago (July 22nd, 2006)
	Soars Soars - great base Einar, and the usual ziti interpretation. Love the light and shade - percussion holds it all together nicely. Einar is definitely someone with a big musical future ahead. Love some of the bends you do towards the end Fran (in the piano part)! Neil. Check out my latest song called Lost In Translation (w Mike Watkins)

Alannah	Alannah said 1218 days ago (July 22nd, 2006)
	I am a huge ... Zitifan ... its no wonder I was the first one to download this ... yes definitely Joe Satriani in there .... I personally luv the Satriani sound ... so that's a compliment! Keep those collabs coming between you two .... its a match made in heaven ! Check out my latest song called I'm Drownin' - Smokey VW (feat Alannah) + Outtaorbit

thetiler

thetiler said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

like the setting
of the guitar at the start and the rest fits in like clock work.

A very fun listen.

Cool z style!

Way to go!

A great bond theme feel. Kind a like when he has to leave his love to
go on a top mission full of frightful potientals. Cause she is hurting
because she feels he may never come back.

This to me is one of your best Z.

You are spot on with wringing the most out of your music.

WAY TO GO! Really!

Check out my latest song called The Bluebird Cafe (with two other guest)

thetiler

thetiler said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

Check out my latest song called The Bluebird Cafe (with two other guest)

thetiler

thetiler said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

Just looked up and noticed
E was in on this.

Top notch!

Gad there is no limit what you guys can do when ya put your minds to
it.

Some people put up music to be listened to and I get the feeling that it
really isn't muisc that I really like.

You two have the gift to get music to me that I really like.

Hear that? It's not like a lot of music here. Though much of it might be
creative and a lot of worked might of been put into it.

Check out my latest song called The Bluebird Cafe (with two other guest)

Wildcat	Wildcat said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)
	Wonderfull Composition You did both a great job with this song. A good composition. Love the Guitar Sound. Check out my latest song called Somewhere in No Man´s Land

thoddi

thoddi said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

killer hook-line
The hook that starts this baby off is so simple but so very effective as a hook-line. It's one I would love to come up with.. will have to get down and make something similar now;) Very clever how it's blended in through the tune.

The guitar soloing is fabulous, and very David Gilmour'ish.

Wonderful arranged with the cool piano parts that creates a oasis of oxygen just to ignite when that ziti fires up the powers of his guitar.

Bravo!

Check out my latest song called Don't tell me what I can't w/KTB and Ingve

Z293	Z293 said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)
	Nice Change Of Pace For you Ziti. The beginning was a little different from the traditional Ziti sound and that's always a good thing to come out a little different sounding every now and then, but you remind us later who you are by bringing back the great Ziti sound. Very nice bed laid down by Einarus who is a huge talent in his own right. Check out my latest song called The Fine Line

ziti	ziti said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Nice Change Of Pace Thank you Z.....some of the tones are new for me...but I am enjoying them alot....I love my POD! Check out my latest song called All Smokey

drakonis

drakonis said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

starts raw...
and then takes off... Einarus always has strong melodic and rhythmic
ideas, always fresh and entrancing. But man Ziti, your guitar just takes
up every available space here with emotional longing and soul. Ein's
backing bed is gorgeous, and the two of you together leave me riveted
to my chair, the clock stops, and I can't breathe until it's suddenly over.

Wow, another Ziti and Einarus Fave... this may even top Blue Sun and
Rampancy! Thank you two for working so hard on this, your efforts
paid off... I have absolutely nothing to critique, everything sounded
stellar.

Ziti, as always, you make this guitar stuff sound completely effortless, I
am in constant awe of your talent. Einarus, you have a wonderful gift
for heart-wrenching melodies, neck-and-neck with MissChaos.

Faved (several times, though it didn't help) and DL'ed.
ttfn,
Drakonis

Check out my latest song called Lullaby for the Inner Child

drakonis

drakonis said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)

AHA!
AHA! I found 2 things to critique in this nearly perfect song!

When I downloaded the MP3, I notice that you forgot to add the pretty iris photo
as song artwork in the MP3, and you forgot to give it a genre (although I have no
idea what genre this is, Beck/Gilmour-channelled blues?)

How sloppy of you! (evil grin)
ttfn,
Drakonis

---
deja vu, it's the next best thing to being there<br>
### Today's song:<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/22647">Fractal Serenity</a>

Check out my latest song called Lullaby for the Inner Child

Hectorious	Hectorious said 1218 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)
	Stylish Totally dig the vibe on this one. Guitar work outstanding!!!!!!! Check out my latest song called Short Circuit (Sample)

DOCTORBIZARRE	DOCTORBIZARRE said 1217 days ago (July 23rd, 2006)
	COOL Your keyboard parts sound nice and crisp! Cool arrangement. The guitar sounds pretty good but is the same thing i always hear from Ziti. I would like to hear Ziti step outside the box for a change. Guitar sounded a little low in the mix as well! Nice track! Soothing! Check out my latest song called STORM

composerclark	composerclark said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Grand It's got a grand, big feel. Tiler mentioned a Bond-like quality, which I hear as well. Sounds like it belongs in a film! Great guitar work, and excellent scoring. Check out my latest song called Scarlet Nightfall

Cori Ander

Cori Ander said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)

Whoooa
Whooa so great!

Thank you people for this one. A most georgeous thing! So nice to hear
you two together. 1 1 makes 5.

If I were a singer I would immediately start to make a song on this
ground. Especially I could imagine a female singer on this ... Can you?

Anyway, there is no other voting option than 10101010!

Check out my latest song called Guitar test — Martin CSN (Gerry Tolman Tribute)

Cori Ander	Cori Ander said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Whoooa the plus disappeared ... the system couldn't take the plus-sign 1 plus 1 makes 5 --- <b><a href="http://thelostrecords.com/cori-ander-artist.html">This is a <font color="green">link to THE ONLY CD I ever made</font></font></b></a> Check out my latest song called Guitar test — Martin CSN (Gerry Tolman Tribute)

musichead	musichead said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	very nice All I can say is , Im still amazed by the talent here at MJ. If people are saying you sound like this and that person. Sounds like you to me..haha Check out my latest song called Lets Take a Holiday

ziti	ziti said 1216 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	very nice I am trying soo hard to sound like me. I am probably the only guitar player on the site who doesn't own a satriani cd. I've heard steve vai once. i truly appreciate your comment!! Thank you! Check out my latest song called All Smokey

The Composer

The Composer said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)

Imagine playing a melody
This is fantastic! Soaring is a great word for this song. Very nice
simple melody that you can just sit and listen to and Ziti still goes a
little wild with it near the end with bends and so much more to milk it
for everything its worth. Such a crunchy sound for the beginning too.
I also quite liked the slight touch of a bandpass filter on the piano
Ein... nicely done.

I guess I've gotta give some critisism... but its not that much really. I
would've liked a little more bass... the mix was a little wet for my
tastes... and Ein.. you've really gotta get rid of that garageband snare!

But other than that... the mix was nicely spaced and arranged... and
aside from too much reverb... everything had a space of its own.

This is an awesome piece guys! Congrats!

Check out my latest song called 25 Minutes in a Japanese Restaurant (Readers Digest Version) (MJRF)

Einarus

Einarus said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)

Imagine playing a melody
To be honest - this isn't a Garage Band snare. It's a Logic one :)
I have just recently been able to use my ZOOM RhythmTrak Drum Machine again
- but there are still some syncing problems, so it's not *entirely* functional yet.
I do understand what you're saying, though (getting a bit tired of that snare,
myself) and I thank you for your comment.
Thanks!

---
-Einarus<br/>
My new collaboration with <a href="http://www.macjams.com/artist/ziti">,<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/22889">Edge of Reason</a> is up!

Check out my latest song called Good Things Come in Fours

ginz111	ginz111 said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Wow! Another fabulous collab between the two masters Ziti and Einaurus. Great work guys! Carl Check out my latest song called Sobriety II

Scott Carmichael

Scott Carmichael said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)

love this
this is a great colab.. it combines the true strengths of both of you...
and Z the melodic approach really works.. it makes the piece
memorable... you did pick moments to blast, and I dug the way you
take your guitar out and bring it back in... thats difficult to do... and
Ein this piece travels nicely through several moods... that is always
helpful to a soloist...

great work.. I disagree with Dr B

Check out my latest song called Good Morning

ziti

ziti said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)

love this
thanks Scott...I really appreciate the kindness....and as for Dr B...I really could
care less what he thinks of my playing. It would go over his head anyway, as
my music deals with the human element and he is some sort of an annoying
alien. Any person who would throw out a public accusation, then not offer a
public apology when proven wrong is a MORON of the highest order. I am
sure he will shoot himself in the foot again soon, and he will be gone.....so
just ignore him, if you can.

I did go for a lot of new sounds in the Melodies...approaching it from the low
end...like James Bond on acid......or something

Check out my latest song called All Smokey

Mcboy	Mcboy said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	man.... that intro had me thinking jimi hendriks was going to appear out of nowhere...hehhehhe.....what a great melody line....very emotionally played......the ein pads were gorgeous and heavenly.......u must have been in heaven zetes........the composition is marvelous....what a treat!!!!!1 Check out my latest song called Heros( aclarke/mcboy)

ziti	ziti said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	man.... thanks McB.....actually, I had as much fun working on this with the young maestro as I can remember on any of these collabs....plus i LIKE this one a lot in it's finished form. Normally by the time i am done with something, i have grown tired of it... i am really lucky to have a partner like einar....he is the BOMB!!!!! Check out my latest song called All Smokey

mf	mf said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	very cool... cool theme, and heartfelt guitar work, cool sound, nice work. Check out my latest song called At The Races

moorlandt	moorlandt said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	such a relaxed tune What a great collab, boys. It all floats so seamlessly, so naturally. Great talents united, and the best is: you don't even have to show off. So enjoyable... Walter Check out my latest song called boundaries

	said 1217 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	From the first measure on... I knew I would love this tune... groovin' bass, a "film noir" sultry and soaring guitar. And how cool as the guitar dies into the piano break. Solid songwriting and solid performances by both of you. I'll D/L this when I get home from work.... thanks.

perceptualvortex	perceptualvortex said 1216 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Sheze Amazing. I always expect something really good from both of you and you never disappoint. Fantastic song you made for ziti's soloing Ein; you're really good with those keyboards. Did someone say Gilmour? cause that guitar is reminding me of him. More great playing zetes, and the two of you definitely work as collaborators. Check out my latest song called Machine Man (w Beastie Boys)

ledebutant	ledebutant said 1216 days ago (July 24th, 2006)
	Breathing Iris This goes on my all-time Top Ten Macjams faves list. Beautiful work guys and I respect what you've done here so much. The composition, performances and soul are about as deep as they go. Check out my latest song called Black Star (MJ Live Aid w/jgurner)

ziti	ziti said 1215 days ago (July 25th, 2006)
	Breathing Iris Thanks Ledeb....I like this one too...ein is a great partner! Check out my latest song called All Smokey

	said 1215 days ago (July 25th, 2006)
	Oh yeah... What an awesome collab...the rhythm hooks you right away and that mournful lead soloing pierces the heart! Nice arrangement. I like the almost Spanish feel very much. Carlos Santana should be sent a copy of this! Be well!

MidiOrleans

MidiOrleans said 1215 days ago (July 25th, 2006)

From The Heart
Hi Ziti,
I really enjoyed this composition/performance
all the way around! Clear sounding and pure from the heart
dripping with passion.
Cheers to you both!
scotty "MidiOrleans"
PS>Oh yes and 1 cheer for the blessing of dear GB which I believe
can deliver 100% professional audio in so many cases.
Having Logic I still go back to GB where I resume having fun which is the
foundation of our music it seems...

Check out my latest song called Calle del Maine

vbluesky	vbluesky said 1215 days ago (July 26th, 2006)
	very moody and hipnotic at the same time, very cool guitar playing,the piano break works very well,this jam reminds me of Santannas cararvans album..thanks 4 the jam Check out my latest song called SMILE ( onesweetworld Remix )

Tiny_Man_Inside

Tiny_Man_Inside said 1214 days ago (July 26th, 2006)

yeah.... good stuff
ziti is a stalwart. ein has great imagination and vision. the combination really works.

Love the guitar tones throughout. the arrangement has a great flow to it, everything moves along very well. The only thing that seemed a bit "off" to me was the depth of the reverb on the piano break in the middle. It seemed to kinda take over the song. Everything else is understated, yet powerful,,, but the piano's reverb seems to take it over the top. Still, this is a great effort.

Mason

Check out my latest song called Left to Swing (w/ The Composer)

AppleVenus	AppleVenus said 1213 days ago (July 27th, 2006)
	nice guitar, nice melody I thoroughly enjoyed this! Check out my latest song called Born Again Liar (Final Mix)

Ed_Moran	Ed_Moran said 1213 days ago (July 27th, 2006)
	Great Flow Great Guitar work and sounds. Great flow and textured and the production is top notch, incredible what you get out of GB. Piano break nice touch. Ed Check out my latest song called Cowboy (WIP)

Heidi_E	Heidi_E said 1213 days ago (July 28th, 2006)
	Hey, great rock instro Nice guitar work, First rock song i've really liked, cause it's not all hard core it sort of softens and then comes back in nicely. Well done.(nice piano too) Check out my latest song called 'More than Enough'

Drew Kopr	Drew Kopr said 1212 days ago (July 28th, 2006)
	Cool! Nice and smooth sounding...great lines all round! I enjoyed this piece very much. Check out my latest song called WinterSong

	psnjron said 1212 days ago (July 29th, 2006)
	Wow! Great work! This is great stuff. Very few have posted anything at this level. Loved the guitar and flow of this track. Overall was excellent from beginning to great ending! More please. Definite download. 9's & 10's! Check out my latest song called killer caterpillar

sky shoes

sky shoes said 1212 days ago (July 29th, 2006)

Zitsarius
I have this friend who is a guitar music FREAK (listener), he has
"everybody" constantly playing on his ipod, all of the above
comparisons, Satriani, Hoy etc. Zeets, I love sending him links to your
incredible guitar playing, he freaks out each time. No comparisons, he
just begs for more, as do we all. Einarius your genius lives on. What a
double bonus having you two collaborate. Thanks.

I was going to suggest a little guitar war between the alien forces (Dr.
Biz) backed by some of his collaboraters and the forces of truth
honesty and justice, Zeets and his collaborators ( would
Perceptualvortex be a nutral party?) on one (gulp) collaboration. It
would be fun and a BIG release, but alas there is a little too much war
going on in the world right now. Well at least nobody will get hurt in a
guitar war.

Check out my latest song called Baby You Can Do Much Better Than Me

ziti

ziti said 1212 days ago (July 29th, 2006)

Zitsarius
thanks!...and thanks to your friend...get me his email and i can send him
mp3....i truly appreciate to hear that people actually listen to this stuff!!

I am a guitar player because I love guitar music...i am so happy i am a guitar
player...people love guitar more than trombone.

Please tho...no guitar wars! I hate guitar playing as an olympic event.

Thanks again!!!

Check out my latest song called All Smokey

composerclark	composerclark said 1202 days ago (August 8th, 2006)
	Smooth Fantastic piece of music here! What's especially cool is the way Einarus' very cool, very Euro style blends so wonderfully with Ziti's singing lines on the guitar. Wow! This is SO cool! Congrats to you both for such an impressive piece. Very tastefully done always. Check out my latest song called Scarlet Nightfall

ziti

ziti said 1201 days ago (August 8th, 2006)

Smooth
Thank you Clark!!! Ein has a way of writing these pieces and putting
suggestions in my head as to a melody or soloing direction. This one only
has a tiny bit of improv...but all the lines always seem to be there, and i just
have to figure out how to play them!

Einar has a great skill, and more talent than should be allowed in one
teenager. Meeting him, becoming friends with him and making these songs
are amongst my favorite MJ moments.

Check out my latest song called All Smokey

	said 1104 days ago (November 13th, 2006)
	Excellent song!!! This is an excellent song, great work.

*itiswotitis*	*itiswotitis* said 1003 days ago (February 22nd, 2007)
	LOVELY TRACK I CAN HEAR WHY U LIKE IT SO MUCH.. VERY SMOOTH.. LOTS OF LEVELS OF FEELING IN THIS.. Check out my latest song called WALKING BASS IN THE CLOUDS

guitapick	guitapick said 804 days ago (September 10th, 2007)
	Beautiful, man... ...top to bottom. Fine, fine tune. Check out my latest song called Outside the Corral

LunaTrick	LunaTrick said 575 days ago (April 25th, 2008)
	THis is lovely Very poised - great atmospherics - delightful tone with great accents. You work well together Check out my latest song called Luna Gypsy Heart II (Eternal Firelight)

MikeNY	MikeNY said 61 days ago (September 22nd, 2009)
	Enjoying listening to my newfound favorite duo! You guys have broken my spirit! (just kidding)... but seriously, I wish I could compose something like this (and wish I could play guitar!)... Anyway, you've got another fan here! Check out my latest song called Will Justice Be Done?