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this was recorded in the early 1980's on a 24 trk reel to reel. it was engineered by joe barbaria who worked with the talking heads. the horn player is richie edson who is now an actor,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Edson) but at tht time he played horn for KONK and was also sonic youth's first drummer. this was the only recording we released as a single.
Joe (the engineer/producer) got us studio time at night from 11pm until 7am for $10 an hour and that included his fee as well. We recorded 4 songs that night and remixed them a couple weeks later at Sorcerer Sound on Green St. in soho and did our own distributing.
Lyrics:
mom's a mussolini freak
stiffs 14 guys in 15 weeks
got to stand up tall
got to stand up high
got to scat gotta chant
got to never say die
those heroes
i don't know
those heroes
i don't know
same thing happened to me yesterday
big fat man got in my way
ask that man what i should say
same thing he say today
those heroes
i don't know
those heroes
i don't know
those heroes
i don't know
say let it go
see that man digging the ditch
see the man harvesting the hay
see the man driving into town
see the man who goes to space
those heroes
i don't know
those heroes
i don't know
those heroes
i don't know
say let it go
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Riffing &mdash 12/06/06 - 02:38:45 PM
I like it...nice tune.... production is gloriously relaxed.
damn can't d-load I'll be back.
Kenta [ Reply to This ]
thanks skean &mdash 12/07/06 - 07:04:33 AM
Funky bass &mdash 12/06/06 - 02:52:09 PM
You guys had something great going at that time. Cool trumpet. I like that fast playing riff on the bass. Also the perc is a good choice instead of a more simple drum pattern. [ Reply to This ]
hey thoddi &mdash 12/07/06 - 07:13:12 AM
thanks for the message. yeah the trumpet is cool. and bass is killer.
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Great hearing this again &mdash 12/06/06 - 02:58:24 PM
Pretty sure I have the 7" somewhere. Yahoo! Cool idea releasing from the vault. Damn this is good.
Stella's band was practising downstairs as I went out to play music with the boys. They're getting a great sound. Kids!
BTW - Neil Young just released his first CD from the Vault - Live at the Fillmore 1970 with Crazy Horse. Killer tracks - but too short. The sick thing is that Miles Davis opened for him. [ Reply to This ]
hey bud &mdash 12/07/06 - 06:56:13 AM
thanks for the info neil young/ miles davis whoa sounds like it would have been a great show. hey c'mon up. we are playing tooo night.
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Funky guitar &mdash 12/06/06 - 03:11:36 PM
I always loved the vocals in this song. It was around 5am when kevin did them and you can here his voice is hoarse, especially on the last verse. He had that joe strummer thang goin' on. coughcough. Once again he has that scary minor chord sound creeping in and out with those madeup chords. Excellent!! (this is NOT posted by kevin) haha [ Reply to This ]
hey mudpal c &mdash 12/06/06 - 03:45:12 PM
was it really done at 5am??? i don't remember that part. mudpal,k
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
hi mudpal k &mdash 12/06/06 - 04:05:05 PM
It was...we had the whole night for $10 an hour including joe's fee. we walked out of there at 7am and $80 poorer.
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Mudmen is good &mdash 12/06/06 - 04:43:48 PM
for me. I would certainly have bought the vinyl in the 80's if only I had a chance to listen to it ! Really the kind of stuff I was listening to at this period, had some compilations labeled CBGB and Max's Kansas City. Thanks for sharing, mudman. [ Reply to This ]
thanks &mdash 12/07/06 - 07:17:34 AM
don't stop &mdash 12/06/06 - 04:55:19 PM
I haven't heard a mudmen tune I didn't like yet... consistently great. Thanks for posting these. [ Reply to This ]
thanks &mdash 12/08/06 - 06:26:51 AM
if we got richard back &mdash 12/06/06 - 04:58:24 PM
would we have to pay actor's equity rates?
this is such a great recording.....well at least you don't have to pay $10 an hour now. [ Reply to This ]
last time i saw richard &mdash 12/07/06 - 07:22:15 AM
was in a bad movie on a plane. i thought our curent rate was 250 an hour paid to us in???????????????????
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Like &mdash 12/06/06 - 05:26:24 PM
Herb Alpert meets Chris Connelly.
Very enjoyable. More from the Vault!
Great vocal. Last chorus.......yeah! Spot on. [ Reply to This ]
cool &mdash 12/08/06 - 06:29:00 AM
Get the mud out &mdash 12/06/06 - 08:38:56 PM
Back in the early 80's I was a young teenager looking for the ultimate tune. Now twenty plus years later I have finally found it! Thanks Mudmen. :-) [ Reply to This ]
thnx the breeze &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:13:54 AM
What can I Say? &mdash 12/07/06 - 12:00:39 AM
thanks &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:16:47 AM
mung. have you been given the mjams most friendly guy award yet?? you should!
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
funny when you listed.. &mdash 12/07/06 - 12:12:07 AM
...the date you recorded this. i hear a little of everything good from that time. everthing from talking heads & devo to the fix. still fresh today! [ Reply to This ]
thanks vic &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:24:27 AM
yeah besides those band you mentioned. we were listening to clash, pigbag.. lots of african music .. killing joke... it all came out in the mud!
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Missed out &mdash 12/07/06 - 01:20:59 AM
My favourite mudmen song so far - really like the trumpet here and the perc section. Early 80s - the start of my stint in the musical wilderness (parenthood and a real job!). I wish I'd listened to more music then if this is what I missed!
Neil [ Reply to This ]
This takes me back. &mdash 12/08/06 - 02:42:00 PM
I was going to remark on what a nice retro track this was, but I guess it *is* actually old. The psychedelic trumpet (and general horn parts) is particularly nice. Excellent stuff. [ Reply to This ]
greatness &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:59:31 AM
to bad I cant down load, shit this would have been killer to catch live.... [ Reply to This ]
hey &mdash 12/09/06 - 09:04:06 AM
did u guys ever play max's kansas city ????......brings back memories of max's this track does.......thanks! [ Reply to This ]
Thanks McCoy! &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:51:37 PM
I think we were post Max's by maybe a year or 2? We were more Danceteria, Area club days but I used to go to MKC from time to time.
mudpal c
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
takes me back &mdash 12/09/06 - 12:25:35 PM
What a treat to find this. Totally, like totally, takes me back. Synthesizers, when synthesizers were new. Ah, so lovely-enough said about the trumpet and bass-
love the tag, 'those heroes I don't know".
muchas gracias, kelli
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I love that line! &mdash 12/09/06 - 08:59:55 PM
Kevin did all the lyric writing on every song. I don't think any of us ever suggested a word to him. As far as synthesizers go...i think the moog had just hit the open market around then and, looking back, thank god we couldn't afford one. There's a lot to be said for organic, sometimes. Thanks for your comments!
mudpal c
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
always liked &mdash 12/10/06 - 03:32:39 PM
thank you &mdash 12/10/06 - 05:22:57 PM
Classy stuff &mdash 12/12/06 - 09:47:58 PM
It definately has an 80s talking heads sound. This was a real pleasure to listen to. Great horn work. Ended was a little odd for me; not because it was abrupt but because it should have done something...I don't know, more clever. I know I'm not being very illuminating here but I consider this nit=picking anyway. Can't understand why this didn't take off and bring you fame and fortune. [ Reply to This ]
Trumpet and Bass Riffing &mdash 12/20/06 - 04:09:17 AM
the combination of those has surely made the great tune! I liked this a lot.
thank you!
aya [ Reply to This ]
Trumpet &mdash 12/20/06 - 06:04:09 PM
That trumpet is great! Nice accents to the song as a whole.
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Coming from a fellow trumpeteer. [ Reply to This ]
Pig Bag Talking Heads! &mdash 12/24/06 - 09:40:22 AM
SMEOW &mdash 12/29/06 - 02:03:16 AM
The production is TERRIBLE but the song composition is FANTASTIC! Invest a little $ in some nicer equipment. It doesn't cost much, I promise! [ Reply to This ]
Cracking &mdash 12/29/06 - 08:11:30 AM
This is absolutely cracking, and several steps up from what you've already posted. It's got a raw but commercial sound - the horns remind me of 'Pressure On' by spandau ballet - in fact, the whole thing has an 80's vibe.
Expect big things in 2007 guys ....
Steve [ Reply to This ]
Long Ago &mdash 12/31/06 - 12:26:39 PM
Thanks Echo! This was recorded 25 years ago and came out of the Where Were They Then vault. I don't see big things happening for the Mudmen in 2007 but hopefully they will be for the members of the band! Happy New Years all!!
Happy New Years mudpal K!
mudpal C
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mudmen again [ Reply to This ]
Great stuff &mdash 12/30/06 - 06:01:45 AM
This reminds me a lot of the underated Aussie band Laughing Clowns (with EdKuepper)....similar kind of punky jazzy feel. Great low fi sound to this guys..I dig it!
Steve [ Reply to This ]
a certain ratio of greatness &mdash 02/15/07 - 06:42:05 AM
This is the sound A certain ratio were looking for when they came to N.Y. It certainly captures the spirit of the time. And it really stands on its own as well. [ Reply to This ]
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