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Thistle


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The Orbiting

 Genre: Electropop

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This is our official entry to the Loop it Or Lose It, Round 2. Matt tried out some fancy new equipment on this and I did probably the fastest turn-around on a vocal I've ever done. This is a work-in-progress and we plan to Orbitize it further in the future. Hope you enjoy it.

Matt here: This is largely a proof of concept song, as we were testing out a lot of new technology (some of which didn't even make it on here, check back for the next new Orbiting song to hear the rest of it.).
The deadline was an evil thing, and very likely this would be/will be a different song when we return to it. Lisa had like 10 minutes to create the 10 or 12 tracks of vocals that are on here. She is the female Flash.
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Lyrics
Thistle

Have you ever wondered
how you fall prey to sickness?
It doesn't come from a bag full of thistles,
painted deep dark purple,
with a skull and crossbones on the side.

The things that come to kill you, come with a smile.

One hand gives, the other takes away.
Beware of gifts from those
who've promised you they'll stay.

Beware

Have you ever wondered
if you planned to deceive me,
take my life and use it to heal yours,
then tear me away
where I wrapped around you
like a vine?

When you came to kill me, you came with a smile.

Your hands gave, your hands they took away.
Beware your kisses
and the promises you made.

Have you ever wondered
if I'll ever believe you,
that there's nothing now
that makes me have to?
I can run through the thistles
then with a shake, dismiss you.

When you come to kill me, you won't find a smile.

My hands gave, my hands can take away.
Beware the broken-hearted,
we often disobey.
Song Stats
Hits: 6689
Comments: 64
Fans: 36
Plays: 782
Downloads: 184
Votes: 25
Uploaded: Dec 09, 2006 - 01:41:57 PM
Last Updated: Dec 12, 2006 - 11:49:44 AM Last Played: Jul 22, 2014 - 09:38:46 AM
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Hardware:
Mucho electronic devices. Rode NT-1a
Software:
GB3 and an a large assortment of plug-ins. The song has 60 tracks, so there are too many to list.
Comments
moorlandt said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
rich and dark
Wow, splendid start of the song. And a great pulsing beat and bass are the constant underlaying drivers. As ususal and typical, there is happening a whole lot in a short timeframe. This makes it very rich on one side, but maybe sometimes also a bit distracting (especially from the vocals) on the other side. Hey, these are dark lyrics that you're singing Lisa... I adore your vocalising so much in this track. Hmmm... speed isn't always synonim to a bad delivery. Proven right here. Top-notch production quality as always.

- Walter
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ledebutant said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Vocals
Thanks for saying you liked the vocals, Walter. You'll laugh when I say this, but I was pretending I was you when I sang it. I wasn't too sure I'd done okay with them, so I'm very pleased that you think they came out okay, since I admire your singing so much.

Of course, I don't have access to the cool accent!
dreadmon said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Joyous!
And mint cookies - see, what a nice trip that was! This was super-tasty, it reminded me of 1982 in Los Angeles, K-ROQ 106.7 FM - that track would've owned! Great production - I agree about the verb, nuff sed. Lisa, your diva is showing - I'm lovin' it! 60 Tracks. At 60 tracks, my Quicksilver would've turned around, looked at me, grumbled "WTF?" and left the house. Serious.

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Mahalo nui loa,



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gregd said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
!!!
Y'all rock.
-g
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Thanks, greg
Y'all hard place...wait, that's not right. Is it?

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warmvox said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
"On one hand..." and "Your hands gave..."
Love the 'lift' there!! Great use of pads :) throughout too

love the end - the bass and the rolls the kinda evaporate


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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Warmvox
Thanks so much. I really love what Matt did with the disintegration at the end, too.

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Pie said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
I'm gonna be brutal...
I'm gonna be brutal... BEWARE THE 'VERB!
Vox in a toilet methinks. There, i said it. Sorry, i must have fallen out of bed he wrong way this morning. Otherwise... very cool :-)


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Pie said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
and another thing...
and another thing... this is not 'Alternative Rock' - 'pop' maybe?


Wow, how bitchy am I today?


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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
We Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing :-)
I'd say you're about as bitchy as any other day, my friend. :D

I think I agree with you and Jim that the reverb should come down, especially in the first verse. As we said this was a very quickly put togther song and we're just now able to sit back and listen to it with objective ears. I appreciate the input, witchie-poo.
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jiguma said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Isn't there some law .........
.... about using 60 tracks in GB : ) ? An excellent start to this "work in progress". Powerful stuff Lisa and Matt - enjoyed it a lot.
Neil
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Yes!
I think it's the "You'd Better Have a Ton of RAM" statute.

Thanks, Neil.
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The Fritters said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Well I've heard more...
reverb...verb...verb...verb... But I'd be with Pie and cut it back a hair.The vocal reminds me a lot of 99.5F degrees era Suzanne Vega, maybe a dance mix of that. I'd also like a good kick drum to drive this, and bring the vocal up a bit, instruments down a bit. Lotsa cool stuff in there, though. Looking forward to a download of this (or maybe one that's more like your final version) Pretty knockout-supa-dupa for a rough draft.
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Supa Dupa
Thanks for the very helpful suggestions, Jim. I'm surprised to hear you say the vox needs to come up, because I was kind of wondering if it needed to come down, but that's through headphones, so maybe it would be different on a stereo.

I think I'm with you and Pie, too. Let's go and get milkshakes.
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Magritte said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Delirium...
...or maybe Delerium? (just a touch)

Fantastic lyrics! I'd love to know what was the inspiration behind the image of the thistle.

This is 60 tracks of pure delicious soundwaves. I like the loop just thrumming along very quietly in there.
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Miss Magritte, soon to be Mrs...
You know, I'd kind of like to know where the thistle came from, too. I often figure out later, the meaning of things I've written, but I have no clue on this one, except that it has assonance with "sickness," which is probably why I chose it. I'm a sucker for taking an image all the way through a song, mostly because it makes the writing easier.

The one thing I do like about the thistle is that it plays well into the whole concept of a stalker being someone you can't shake, like a thistle burr. I guess this is sort of a pre-stalker song, in a way.

Thanks for saying you liked the song.
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thoddi said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Works for me!
If this is what comes out listening to Walter... I would listen again and again:) Great vocals. Laidback and cool Lisa. I don't find the reverb distracting or negative in the mix. Works for me!

The mix with all the things going on is well taken care of. Chilled grooves with a hot bass making my head nod, and those perc things happening is getting me off my chair.

Congratulations on a fine piece of art!
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Thor
Thanks for the lovely comment. I think it's a good idea to listen to Walter over and over again, regardless, but he really did inspire me this time around. ;-)
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Thor
Thanks for the lovely comment. I think it's a good idea to listen to Walter over and over again, regardless, but he really did inspire me this time around. ;-)
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Hah!
Speaking of over and over again. :p
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ktb said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
excellent
i can't believe this is a LIOLI submission. the fact that you had that specific criteria to build around and then developed this is absolutely amazing. I wanna be Matt when I grow up. its got a very ultra hip feel to it. Stellar pipes there as always Lisa. The full version will be frightening.
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Me Too!
I want to be Matt when I grow up, too! I think he comes up with really interesting stuff and I'm very lucky to be in a band with him. I also would love to see you guys do a few songs together.

RE: the final version being frightening. We live to terrify, so that's good. :D
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Komrade K said 4000 days ago (December 9th, 2006)
Funky dark stuff
Excellent mix - lots of energy, nice vocal delivery (with a certain sang froid) and all in all really rather catchy! Would d/l if I could...

KK
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Thanks, Komrade
I'm very, very pleased you enjoyed the song and sang froid is one of my favorite words, along with weltschmerz.

L
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alfalpha said 4000 days ago (December 10th, 2006)
what a rush!...
...it's like I'm hearing the Cocteau Twins again! (Exceptc, the lyrics are discernable...& I love Lisa's voice...LOL!)

Anyway guys....great job....erm, sheesh, I might have to fave this one!
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The Orbiting said 4000 days ago (December 10th, 2006)
Awww
Thanks, Alf. You know it's funny that you mention the Cocteau Twins, because I had originally envisioned CT style sound-language on the chorus, but then thought better of it.

I'm so happy you liked it!

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Mcboy said 3999 days ago (December 10th, 2006)
hot stufff
it sizzles and shnizzles.......and takes me on a trip... a movie of the mind.....thanks!
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Silly McFella
What they didn't tell you at the Schnizzle Travel Agency is that this bus is going to Decatur. Hope you have a hat. :-)
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Ed Hannifin said 3999 days ago (December 10th, 2006)
There's the world as we customarily perceive it...
...and then there is the Orbiting world...

Where we don't know what is happening, but we know what is happening.

'Beware the broken-hearted/we often disobey' is quite the cap line...

This thing is sixty layers of intense wrapped in some vine-clinging beauty... And no one else makes human love and sex sound so, well, dangerous...

And listening to an Orbiting track is like attending a great performance of a great drama... you have to go away to a quiet cafe afterwards and just let yourself understand it...let yourself believe that you will and can eventually begin to understand it...

Let it be all that it is and get over believing that you have to choose either/or...

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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
But...
Human love and sex, IS dangerous, especially if one is wearing something studded. ;-)

"Let it be all that it is and get over believing that you have to choose either/or..." I'm going to have to go of and mull over that one myself. Also, don't be surprised if I rip off the comment for song lyrics. That's in the fine print.

I always enjoy your comments, Ed. Thanks so much for your ongoing support of what Matt and I are doing.
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Jim Bouchard said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Ha!
""Let it be all that it is and get over believing that you have to choose either/or..." I'm going to have to go of and mull over that one myself. Also, don't be surprised if I rip off the comment for song lyrics."

I've got an idea that might work; let's all just mine Ed's comments for song lyrics, why don't we, he's got a way with words that is pretty special!

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bud said 3999 days ago (December 10th, 2006)
Never a dull moment in orbit
great track and creative hiding of the loop. the soundspace is really well laid out - nice work. Cool lyrics and vox - all the way a hit!
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Bud
Thanks for enjoying the song. You mentioned the creative hiding of the loop. I know that Matt used it in a lot of really interesting ways. He mentioned "sounds of doom" in the early portion of the song being created by it and I know it's in the break, but I'm interested to hear more from him about the ways he used it. I hope that he'll chime in here.
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The Orbiting said 3996 days ago (December 13th, 2006)
Where is the loop?
Well, that crashing sound of doom at the beginning is actually the loop laid over a noise sound patch. I just like it. That is the first thing I did in the song. The other instance of it is a totally CamelSpaced version that pops up in the chorus and the spaces between the chorus and the next verse. Originally, it had more prominence, but as I added tracks and the vocals came in, it sort of became a texture rather than a feature. I'm very familiar with Lisa's song "After All," which happens to use the same loop, so I wanted the song to feel different for her.
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perceptualvortex said 3999 days ago (December 11th, 2006)
Xellent
The 'verb on the vocals doesn't bother me. Great singing, Lisa, you're really sounding like moorlandt in this song :) I can feel the energy you put into your performance; the way you're dancing in your mind comes through in your voice. Matt, I really admire your ability to make this kind of top-notch ear candy. Hah, love that ending. This sounds really beautiful, nice work guys!
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Perhaps..
I wonder if you meant "sexellent." :-)

So glad you enjoyed it, David and that you think I sound like Walter (hee hee). Thank you for furthering my delusions. If I could sing with half the emotion he does, I'd be thrilled.
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Stun Nutz said 3999 days ago (December 11th, 2006)
Stomp, stomp, stomp!
Poke a wooden stick in me and push me around the dancefloor... I'll soak up the sweat like a mop! Then I will wring my hair out and drink it. I love it.

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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Problemo
You know, I see a problem with the whole mop thing. If we poke a stick in you, you'll bleed all over the floor and, unless you have tremendously absorbent hair, that mopping thing may not work out too well.

I love your comments.
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Stun Nutz said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
yeah...
you are right...everybody would just start slipping around in the blood, falling all over each other... and before you know it you got a blood wrestling orgy goin' on.
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The Orbiting said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Carrie
Stop trying to talk me into it! Now you're making me rethink!
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SmokeyVW said 3998 days ago (December 11th, 2006)
kind of dark
i love all the sounds in here - i wonder if there might be just a tad too much happening all at once?
pro vocals - lots of reverb and echo, but i like that!
eery lyrics - also great! especially that final warning - *shudder* :-)

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Macaudion said 3998 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
WELL NOW...
REALLY can't wait to hear this one a good system, cause even on this piece of shiate, I can tell that this is a sophisticated piece of work. You guys are really putting out some very interesting stuff. I mean, 'interesting', as in, I can't wait to really sit and be still with this to really hear what's going on.

Very cool and unique vocal approach to this, Lisa! This one has to have you guys proud - Quite inventive! Man I can't wait to really listen to this.

Very cool stuff you guys.

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Macaudion said 3998 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Yo! Guys
I'm listening on a decent system!!! - I'm here w/ a friend and having a drink, or two, I think... I'm introducing him to MJS -- You guys are so cool! This is awesome stuff! This Really nice stuff guys! Really!!! It is likely that I'm too impressed right now, but say hey, that was the goal -- Yep, you belong way up here... Hahahaha... Thanks! Dion
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SecaMode said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
60 tracks!
And it still doesn't feel crowded, it's nice and roomy. You've done a very nice job with it, music and vocals are great. If this is the work in progress, I'm sure to be blown away by the finished piece.
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said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
great sound
Wow what a production love the change when ledebutant sings the chorus
this is killer top notch
Scott Carmichael said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
My Ears
I recently mentioned to another MJer that my ears want something new... I wouldn't expect it to be Electropop... I'm old and rusting, and I can't imagine myself out at clubs (that's what electropop sounds like)... but this has a few elements that transend genre for me... the production is stelar... I'm not sure that there is too much reverb(PIE)... to much reverb usually happens because someone doesn't like there vox... I don't think that's the case here... this sounds more like a dream or detachment (observing your own life from the outside)... which is where emotional turmoil often leaves us... so it worked for me...

the second element is the lyrical content... I love the eliptical course taken to create impresssions... people can glean what meaning they will.. you've left things open.... and the atmosphere is mysterious

exxxxellllent... all around
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dreadmon said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
Joyous!
And mint cookies - see, what a nice trip that was! This was super-tasty, it reminded me of 1982 in Los Angeles, K-ROQ 106.7 FM - that track would've owned! Great production - I agree about the verb, nuff sed. Lisa, your diva is showing - I'm lovin' it! 60 Tracks. At 60 tracks, my Quicksilver would've turned around, looked at me, grumbled "WTF?" and left the house. Serious.
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j2morrow said 3997 days ago (December 12th, 2006)
piercing
A wonderful job, esp being under the gun. Piercing lyrics. A terrific groove.
Can't wait to see what you do to it later.
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echoroom said 3997 days ago (December 13th, 2006)
Prickley
Well, you've so many fans for this I'm not sure you can fit any more in. Not sure what's left to say - the production and vocals are excellent, as always, and it's another beautifully written, well structured track. The more songs I hear from you, the more you develop your own sound and style, guys. The electro instrumentation is thoughtfully put together, and throbs along nicely, contrasting with Lisa's languid vocal, the lyrical style more suited to folk or poetry- it kinda clashes with the music, yet works well with it. Murder and spurned love set to a dance beat - wonderful.

More more more - I can't wait to have an album in my grubbly little mitts!

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Tiny_Man_Inside said 3994 days ago (December 15th, 2006)
yeah....
this is, like, good and stuff....

wonderful lyrical content, good delivery, a decent soundbed for venting.

Unlike many of the others, I think the 'verb levels are right on. The effect gives the track great depth.

The music isn't anything that I would normally listen to, but it works well with the vox.

Great track.
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BranDaMan said 3994 days ago (December 15th, 2006)
Floored
stunning display.
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Wildcat said 3993 days ago (December 16th, 2006)
2 in 1 song
this orbitingcollab seems very inspirating...you always bring up surprising tracks. i like the input of you two in one song.
in this lisa did really a good singing.also nice lyrics...lovely ,dark style...
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Leon said 3992 days ago (December 17th, 2006)
Drifting... orbiting...
You guys are really stamping your brand all over the place and everyone seems to want one! You have a very distinct quality of music which is undoubtedly circling, revolving and orbiting planet Macjams! It has futuristic appeal to it, with a youthful energy and an infectious rhythm that grows in you the more you listen to it. Lisa's voice is a soothing balm on a burning wound, and Illuminati's music is both energizing and hypnotic... the kind of music I would like to hear at the end of the day in my favorite lounge.
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DOCTORBIZARRE said 3992 days ago (December 17th, 2006)
NARBULATION
Thistleilation! Another song about Johnny Ray? Nice track and cool effects on the vocals! Spacey cool tracks in the total chick song genre!
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Monkaton said 3991 days ago (December 18th, 2006)
Good singing
Tough lyrics. Your singing is very confident on this song. I think it's the best of yours I've heard.

The backing tracks are also very effective, matching the lyrics very well. A very well constructed piece.
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chikoppi said 3979 days ago (December 30th, 2006)
Thistle - that's a funny word!
This has a strong Garbage vibe to it, especially in the chorus - I'm a big fan of their sound! The synths sound great (the loop is completely reborn by a... what, arpeggiator?) and the high frequency washes behind the vocals are a nice touch. The bass break just past the halfway mark is a well-timed choice. Lots of complexity in the rhythm and ambient synths. I can see this piece consuming 60 tracks! For a rush job you got the vocals (nice job as usual Lisa!) to sit snuggly in the mix. I like the unexpected deconstruction at the end. Very cool!
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Sunbeam said 3971 days ago (January 8th, 2007)
hej
vilken vel trenad röst ni har bilden är sagolik lilla och allt
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Cori Ander said 3969 days ago (January 9th, 2007)
..
haha, proud daddy here .. think Sunbeam has been around a lot today (I love you my clever kid).

Translation:

what a well trained voice you have the picture is fabulous lilac and everything

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said 3945 days ago (February 2nd, 2007)
V. Good
Nice and wide open mix

I look forwards to hearing the finished version.
said 3870 days ago (April 18th, 2007)
Real Full
Love all the sounds in this. Your singing Is right on nothing forced. love the way you come in and out of each verse. THe music on this is top notch must be some nice equipment you guys are using!
dolby said 3771 days ago (July 27th, 2007)
Excellent
Well, this song has been around for a while - but it's the first time I've heard it - and downloaded it! A great track with a fantastic production and stunning vocal. Love the lyrics - mysterious, ambiguous - delivered superbly - I hear a bit of Suzanne Vega in the chorus's especially(?) - no bad thing!

Musically there are loads of references here - UK bands like Laika and Lamb, as well as Orbital - but it still has a very unique sound. This quality really should be out there in HMV!
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Heightened said 3515 days ago (April 7th, 2008)
This is a cool song
Not one of your better ones but given the pressed time you put it together I would say pretty damn good.
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said 3465 days ago (May 28th, 2008)
Cool!
Excellent by all means.. great vocals and fine music work!

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DonStevens said 2867 days ago (January 15th, 2010)
Thistle
I actually like the reverb touch. Pretty darn good for a quick effort.
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Electropop (also called Technopop) is a subgenre of synth pop music which flourished during the early 1980s, although the first recordings were made in the late 1970s. Numerous bands have carried on the electropop tradition into the 1990s and 2000s.

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