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It Comes Down To This (remix) (collab w/jgurner and Macaudion) by Ejh [Email]
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experimental (291), repentant (1), finding my way (2), electric (78), guitar (863), slow (87), piano (602), jgurner (5), Macaudion (7)
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Sorry about this...
This is a slight remix of this song:
http://www.macjams.com/song/32487
which is, itself, an alternative take of this song:
http://www.macjams.com/song/26875
which was called 'Meeting Disillusionment'...
As I read through the comments, it became apparent to me that too many people were being bothered by that overload distortion on the tympani, so I went in to see what I could do. It turns out that I was flat WRONG about it being on the original track, that I had set it up wrong when I went to mix so long ago... So apologies to Dion and Joseph on that one... Mea culpa all the way...
Thus, I was able to back off the main track a little, and strap some TrackPlug mastering on the total mix and get a much cleaner track...
Anybody who downloaded the first one, my apologies... please download this one and listen to it happily...
Once again, thanks to jgurner and Macaudion for their particular brands of genius...and for being such nice guys...
Hardware:
Should-that-red-even-be-allowed Charvette electric guitar
Line 6 POD 2.0
Focusrite Saffire
Presonus TubePre
FMR Really Nice Compressor
...and whatever jgurner and Macaudion used...
Software:
GarageBand 2 and 3
TrackPlug
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Ha! &mdash 06/09/07 - 01:19:32 PM
Those guys are gonna be so p'd - And don't even hang out here much lately - Talk about slackn' - Geez!!! [ Reply to This ]
Thirdsies &mdash 06/09/07 - 02:23:36 PM
Dangit!
I have no excuse. I was upstairs on the couch eating oatmeal and reading a book about The Beatles. This incident makes a very good case for me to add Internet access to my cell phone.
Thirdsies stink. [ Reply to This ]
Oatmeal and The Beatles... &mdash 06/09/07 - 04:11:50 PM
...is a good combination, though...
If you're gonna miss 'firsties', then it might as well be for oatmeal and The Beatles...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
As important as it is to be first... &mdash 06/09/07 - 04:16:16 PM
...it is even more important to gloat...
Allowing proper time for gloating is something that people don't always take into account...
In this, as in all things, you are my mentor...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Hmm &mdash 06/09/07 - 09:08:43 PM
I think I'd like to write a song called "Oatmeal and the Beatles" to guitar music by you. [ Reply to This ]
Nice piece &mdash 06/09/07 - 01:46:42 PM
Nice piece. Clear and clean mix.
It is so nice to hear you've had room for your productive side. This is a bit from the loved folk rock niche. I am starting to wonder what we may await from you in the future. Are we to see a a fusion between the defferent sides of you? Or maybe the birth of something yet unheard? [ Reply to This ]
Well... &mdash 06/09/07 - 04:20:20 PM
...not as much time as I'd like...
I still hope to find some whole afternoons at some point, and investigate what the new Taylor can do...
It IS a bit apart from my beloved folk rock niche, but still, I think, in keeping with what I do in that realm...
I hope that this coming year will have a nice mix of the expected and the unexpected...
Thanks as always for your listening ear, Johannes...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
like the &mdash 06/09/07 - 03:21:47 PM
interplay between the three sounds of the cello, piano and synth.
Again lots of neat stuff here. Interested snare and thump.
Like the strings going off into the distance and then re-entry.
Nice stuff and very interesting ideas. Love that floating cello towards the end. Cool ending! [ Reply to This ]
Hello again, Bill... &mdash 06/09/07 - 04:23:52 PM
Thanks for listening to both versions. This is yeoman service, and earns you twice the usual payment...
I, too, like that interplay, which I think is courtesy of Joseph Gurner. I think the string stuff you like is also his doing....
In fact, I think that the stuff that you like best is all in his basic track... a tribute to how well he sketched out the original tune...
Thanks for listening...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Hey Mr. Ed .. &mdash 06/09/07 - 03:54:04 PM
... I missed the first version, will give it a spin after this, but what a lovely piece - very moody and cinematic, shades of Mark knopfler in the guitar playing. Great spacey production - I'd love an album full of tracks like this to play after work to calm me down.
Steve [ Reply to This ]
I'm glad you heard this version, Steve... &mdash 06/09/07 - 04:27:33 PM
...as opposed to the version I posted yesterday...
I hope you'll hunt down 'Meeting Disillusionment' to hear what it eventually turned into, which gets pretty interesting and different...
I think the space is a key player in here... a lot of people have mentioned it...
I'll take any Mark Knopfler comparisons that come my way with gratitude...
Thank you for giving a listen and letting me know what you thought,
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Bugger! &mdash 06/09/07 - 05:08:37 PM
:)
Just testing our reactions I suppose Ed!
Sounds much better.
Neil [ Reply to This ]
Ah well... &mdash 06/09/07 - 10:11:49 PM
Glad it sounds better, at least...
Thanks for the re-listen, Neil...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
i listened to this before &mdash 06/09/07 - 06:17:05 PM
I get this a lot... &mdash 06/09/07 - 10:16:39 PM
...and I DO prefer the word 'soothing' to the word 'boring', generally speaking...
Thanks for listening, Caroline...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Challenging &mdash 06/09/07 - 08:14:12 PM
It seems like a challenging piece to add guitar to. The piano occupies a space in here which is in the whereabouts of the guitar at sometimes... Different perception on how a piece of music turns out in the end is always present in a collab. But the magic of more than one musician is present for sure.
To my taste I feel that the guitar ha taken a part with a bit too much "jam" approach. It needs a bit of a grab by the family jewels so it stands up right;) As I hear it, the majestic or pompous surroundings has quite a different agenda then what the guitar is up to. Separately there is magic in both camps though... [ Reply to This ]
Thanks, thoddi... &mdash 06/11/07 - 09:03:07 PM
There's no question that this guitar took a "jam" approach... Although the original plan when we started work on 'Meeting Disillusionment' was that I would produce a "bunch" of guitar tracks (I eventually did eight) for Dion to slice and dice bits out of as he chose...
It just so happened that this rough take with track 1 of guitar, which was on my iPod, became something of a favorite of miine...
It IS, no question about it, a rough mix, and a rough cut...a rough improvisation with good bits and bits that are less inspired...
Thanks for listening, as always; I have great respect for your musical taste...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
worth repeating &mdash 06/09/07 - 09:13:30 PM
my original comment as well.
Well except when i think about it. there is a ting of P. Floyds "Wish You Were Here" sound to this as well. which only brings up... which one is pink.
you don't need to repeat a reply
also gave me a second reason to relisten :-) [ Reply to This ]
That would be the other one... &mdash 06/09/07 - 10:21:07 PM
...the other Strat-ish tone that I might wish for in my dreams...
Those two guys...well, and Richard Thompson, have the sort of electric guitar tone that I really like best, I think...
So, whether I've managed to get the right notes going here or not, I am pretty pleased with the tone part of the experiment...
Thanks for listening again, Vic...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Good atmosphere &mdash 06/10/07 - 03:50:57 AM
This is very floydish in a good way. I was also reminded of Dire Straits instrumentals (e.g., Private Investigations), your best notes approach Knopfler's. I like the combination of instruments. I found the guitar brilliant in some places, but a little dominant in other spots; perhaps it needs a little bit more reverb to make it blend in with the mix. Still, a great atmosphere that you manage to create.
Best
Denny [ Reply to This ]
Floydish in a good way... &mdash 06/11/07 - 09:07:48 PM
...would that count as a 'double positive'?
I actually will cop to having 'Brothers In Arms' in my mind while working on this, as well as some of the David Gilmour solo stuff... and, although I know I'm not there yet, the other big influence was Fran Dagostino teaching me how to improve my bends, which aren't strong and definite enough yet...
Hmmm. More reverb. I LIKE reverb... I was worried that I was using too much... Hmmm....
Thanks for the encouragement. I am going now to Reverb-land, to buy more reverb...
ALways good to hear your thoughts, Denny....Thanks again...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
More &mdash 06/10/07 - 12:59:37 PM
Good remix; I think that tympani is better. Ok, aside from more of the Chasm City imagery (see comment on previous mix) this reminds me of sitting by the train tracks at the switching yard, and just watching the big lonely trains swap cars. Events on a large scale, moving slowly, but relentlessly, full of latent sleeping power. I'm not sure what that mood is; more wonder than sadness, just a cosmic awe. Anyway, very enjoyable tune, Ed, Dion and Joseph! [ Reply to This ]
Well...I trust your ears... &mdash 06/11/07 - 09:11:57 PM
If you say the tympani is better, then I'm a happy man...
You know, I actually used to watch trains switching, back in my BU days, down by Allston/Brighton trainyards....So I get this image, too... I used to love 'Nighttime In The Switching Yard' by Warren Zevon for this reason...
Yeah, I got more 'cosmic awe' than sadness from Joseph's music... I can see this in the opening framing shots for the never filmed supermovie of 'Stranger In A Strange Land'...
Thanks again, David... You're TOPS!..... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha....
Ed [ Reply to This ]
thanx &mdash 06/11/07 - 12:10:17 AM
got it ...i didn't here the distotion in my other version till i put it thru some other speakers...so thanks for fixing the mix ...
i wasn't thinking floyd but here it now... as well as knoppler...
keep playing
tim [ Reply to This ]
Tim, guys that show up... &mdash 06/11/07 - 09:14:18 PM
...for BOTH mixes of the tune get extra credit...
Thanks for the extra listening. Knopfler and Floyd. Plainly, I need to buy that Fender guitar before I get any older...
Thanks again, Tim...
Ed
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Beautiful. &mdash 06/12/07 - 09:00:07 AM
Thank you, Tadashi.... &mdash 06/12/07 - 09:28:54 PM
For a moment... &mdash 06/12/07 - 04:19:58 PM
...I thought Dave Gilmore was 'in the room'!
I really like that bowed acoustic bass effect with the electric guitar and there's such a lot of really lovely phrases coming in and out of this. Could be the soundtrack for a film sequence where the lead character is caught in a moral dilemma then resolves on a positive but surprising course of action...
KK [ Reply to This ]
Don't I wish... &mdash 06/12/07 - 09:36:14 PM
I love David Gilmour's tone and phrasing, and especially his ability to play SLOW... He's the master of getting it right...
Thanks for reminding me of the bowed bass sound... that IS a very cool sound, again thanks to Joseph Gurner...
That last sentence sounds like an awful lot of moments from my life... Or how I'd HOPE it would turn out, anyway...
Thanks again, Martyn... I'm always pleased when you give a listen...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Surprise! &mdash 06/12/07 - 11:50:59 PM
Not what I was expecting after listening to your folky stuff!
Definitely deserves all the Gilmour/Knopfler comparisons. I admire your ability to play melody for that long without just falling back into mindless riffing. Cool cinematic background. There are a few bends where I wish they were yanked just a little higher, but there are lots more with just that killer Knopler tone.
What a great track!
~Brian [ Reply to This ]
I have to admit... &mdash 06/13/07 - 06:58:38 PM
...that I also rather like mindless riffing...
I'm pleased and flattered at all the Gilmour/Knopfler comparisons, as those are directions I would wish to go... The experiment part of this early set of tracks, for me, was partly to mess around with finding a tone that I liked that WASN'T my previous favorite, a highly distorted Mesa Boogie kind of sound...something cleaner and more spidery... and another part was to mess around with aiming for cleaner bends, as Fran/ziti had shown me how to do... some of these, as you can hear, were 'hits' and some fall short of their target...It's fun to have a method of practicing now, though... (Thanks, Fran!)...
And, also on my end, I have been wanting to stretch the way that I'm perceived around here, just a little...So I'm not just the aging New England folkie... Stupid piece of vanity on my part, but there it is...
Thanks for listening, Brian! I love your 'Fanny Poer' piece...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Very nice &mdash 06/13/07 - 07:48:26 AM
Nice arrangement. Has a soundtrack feel to it.
Glad to have heard this and well-done.
P.S. like the drums.
LL [ Reply to This ]
The soundtrack/cinematic quality... &mdash 06/13/07 - 07:01:25 PM
I think was really Joseph Gurner's doing in these early tracks, and become even more so in the final sliced and diced versions that Macaudion did in 'Meeting DIsillusionment'. I hope you caught that 'final product', if you liked that quality in this...
I love those huge tympani, too.
Thanks for listening,
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Nice gravity &mdash 06/13/07 - 10:35:30 AM
Everything about this track has a certain kind of gravity - heavy, while still being spacious - it's a super-solid musing, I love the tension built-up by the timpani and snare rolls - the recurring piano motif weaves a nice web with the guitar lines and there's just enough pad in the background to lightly fill space. A very thought-provoking and evocative piece - I especially like the little minor that you slip in towards the end - just enough to tease the ear. Very nice! [ Reply to This ]
There are these great moments.... &mdash 06/13/07 - 07:06:10 PM
...when someone says something some music that you're involved in that you've never heard before...
Like, "Nice gravity!" First time on that one...
But I get what you mean. This has got a weighty thing going on with the drums, and then a nice midrange heft in the piano that's really well articulated... I'm glad you mentioned the snare, too, 'cause I keep forgetting about that and concentrating on the tympani...
Composition credit, over and over, goes to jgurner... Thanks, Joseph!
And thanks for listening, Bing... I'm always pleased when you do...
Hope you caught Brian Weiland's version of 'Fanny Power'... while I'm thinking of it...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Listened to the others... &mdash 06/13/07 - 01:21:34 PM
...and this is definitely cleaner...more depth.
As I get more into recording, I'm amazed at how something that sounds "great" can be made to sound even better (sometimes "WAY" better) with recording techniques and add-ons. This sounded really fine before...now I see the difference.
A really fine, moody piece Ed, jgurner, and Macaudion... [ Reply to This ]
Extra credit for you, too, Bob... &mdash 06/13/07 - 07:20:41 PM
When I went back to clean this up, I thought I'd just drop the tracks a few dB, and end of story...
But the other thing I did was simple strap TrackPlug's mastering preset across the master track. Didn't diddle with it or anything. I think it ended up smoothing things out a little, and contributing some sheen and perceived space...
Maybe jg, Macca and I need to form a new MacJams entity, called The Moody Brothers... gotta trademark that one before it gets away...
Thanks again, Bob...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
This has really grown from the first take &mdash 06/13/07 - 05:02:14 PM
Nice sound from that guitar, I now think I should have opted for the pod. The piano and keys are placed well and executed, and the drums almost sound like waves slapping the beach as they roll into the composition. The whole song has feel to it. Loved the experiment as much as you guys I'm sure enjoyed the experience. [ Reply to This ]
I love my POD... &mdash 06/13/07 - 07:28:11 PM
I am always amazed when people say that they can't get a decent or amp-like tone from them. I find mine so easy to use, and much more tube-y sounding than what I was able to get from the demos I tried of Amplitube and Guitar Rig... Plus... no latency... Not a whisper of it...
One of these days when I have extra money...one of these days...I'm sure it'll happen ONE day... I think I'll either get the PODxt or the PODxt Live... I like this one so much, I bet the 'advanced' versions will be even more fun...
The piano, keys and drums are the heart of the tune, as I continue to say... Be sure to check out the 'finished' version with Macca's editing and mixing...
I'm glad you think this thing has feel... I think so, too... This really was fun to do and Joseph and Dion are cool guys to work with...
Thanks for your thoughts, Texas...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Nice meandering &mdash 06/14/07 - 08:50:06 PM
Flashes me back to the 70's. Alone or with a few people, on a candle lit evening in jasmine incensed apartments out toward Brookline, Allston or even off of Comm.Ave near BU, sipping cheap wine with toke or two while listening to a long side of an lp instrumental and getting soooooooooooooooo into it.
With everyone commenting intermittently with the likes of "whoa, did you hear that line" and "where did that one come from", and "hey, that one just lit up the yellow brick road".
Tanks for the memories and the good sounds. [ Reply to This ]
Gosh, Damien... &mdash 06/15/07 - 10:23:33 PM
...did we know each other?
That's certainly my place and time... I went to BU from 1974 to 1978 or 1979...Lived in the dorms on Comm. Ave and in Kenmore Square, then had first apartments in Allston, Brighton, border of Brookline, and then Brighton on the border of Watertown...
Boy, thank YOU for reminding me...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
woo &mdash 06/15/07 - 10:57:18 PM
not familiar with any of the history of this... here goes
i'm thinking ladders and progressions - space and trains - a star-filled sky and my wife's smile - soft days and fear of getting old - birds at dawn and a sense of peace - and knowing that knowledge isn't all there is...
i really like the stereo separation in this!
thanks
(tech note: somehow the bass drum seems to be breaking up the high end?) [ Reply to This ]
Ladders and progressions... &mdash 07/01/07 - 03:35:27 PM
Those are beautiful musings, Bill...
All credit for the stereo separation and sense of space heads in the direction of jgurner in this early version, further modified later by Macaudion...
Still distortion? I thought I had cleaned that up....
Ed [ Reply to This ]
hi... : ) &mdash 06/17/07 - 03:42:08 PM
whata great song . .. Man I'm glad to be back ,,, seems like i've been away from here for tooooo long ....really 've missed all this great great Music.. talking about OATMEAL : ) Mmmmmmmm LOVE IT ! Actually I just had a bowl an hour or two ago : ) Long time...
I was out on my great balcony now & saw 4 birds flying high up in the sky ....thought it was swans cause they looked so big ! It was Seagulls : ) Then a pair of Seagulls flew over a bit lower , so NICE Birds make me Happy : ) Came to think of another of Your Great Tunes / Songs..with the crows & The one with swans (?) Perhaps I'm mixing it up ? How many songs do You have with Birds ? SO FANTASTICto hear You Collabibg with These Other Great Musicians,,,,it makes me happy . TX EJH 8 ) [ Reply to This ]
You sure do write an enthusiastic comment, ZOI... &mdash 07/01/07 - 05:17:19 PM
...that comes through, even when I'm having trouble finding my through...
I think we can start simply, and say that oatmeal is a good thing. And we can surely agree that the chances are that ledebutant's oatmeal is probably better than mine...
I definitely have a song with a mockingbird in it, and a song with geese in it, and I do believe that there is a gull in 'Mist Comes Up The Valley'... I'm not sure about crows and swans... I'm searching my memory... I certainly have more birds in my songs than I thought I did...
And I am very glad that these songs and collabs make you happy...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
awesome guys! &mdash 06/18/07 - 08:14:24 PM
i closed my eyes and took a wonderful journey, starting a sweet climb upward with the guitar and piano - upward, upward until the huge percussion with military flavor sent me to the bottom of the mountain to start over again. i loved being mired in the middle, with the really lovely strings and strong steady bass until the explosive breakthrus reveal the mountain to be climbed again, and so one step at a time the piano/guitar shows us the way - ever upward.
pretty sure EVERYbody felt exactly the same way.
8)
one of supertramp's pieces put me in this mood. i'm appreciative of all the flavors going into this and melding so seamlessly. heart piercing strings/bass, such good piano, and very fine guitar string bending from you, ed. it's a fine example of excellent virtual ensemble work - bravo, boys! anne [ Reply to This ]
People seem... &mdash 07/01/07 - 05:21:23 PM
...to be getting some very visual imagery from this one, which we will lay at the feet of jgurner's excellent structure...
I can actually hear the Supertramp thing, which may be related to the multi-textured production with a piano and drum base...
Anyway, I'm pleased that you were able to listen, Anne.... You have good ears, and intelligence in there between them... I always enjoy your comments...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
clean &mdash 07/07/07 - 06:18:26 PM
nice melody on that guitar. sounds like there's thunder which is cool. [ Reply to This ]
Thanks for listening, Chance... &mdash 07/10/07 - 07:49:51 AM
I think the thunder comes from jgurner's tympani... It does give the whole piece a bit of gravity, don't you think?
Glad you got a chance to catch this one...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Thanks for listening, Chance... &mdash 07/10/07 - 07:49:53 AM
I think the thunder comes from jgurner's tympani... It does give the whole piece a bit of gravity, don't you think?
Glad you got a chance to catch this one...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Symbiosis &mdash 07/21/07 - 04:58:44 PM
This has a real stark feel to it, almost desolate. It blends nicely. The reciprocity is wonderful!
Doug [ Reply to This ]
Thank you, Doug... &mdash 07/25/07 - 07:16:46 PM
I think in this short comment you really capture something of what this version of the tune has to offer... To my ears, anyway, it does have that stark and desolate quality, and it also has that nice, as you put it, symbiotic intertwining of the parts, most of which is the work of jgurner at this point in the matter...
I'm glad you had the time to listen. I really appreciate your thoughts here.
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Ed! &mdash 07/21/07 - 09:03:28 PM
Stopped by to see whats new and I come across this wonderful track. Great production as always.
Carl [ Reply to This ]
Carl, sir! &mdash 07/25/07 - 08:47:44 PM
It's always good to hear from you... I'm pleased you liked the production...
Thanks for dropping in for a listen...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Until now.. &mdash 07/27/07 - 03:57:55 PM
I hadn't caught up with your music, but so glad I looked up your repertoire tonight. It's all so-oo good, but this particular piece is wonderful. 'Pictorial music' I call it, for the mental images it inspires. I love the combination of sounds and the build ups to different 'rooms'; and you don't need me to comment on the guitar playing, when so many great guitarists here sing your praises.... I can only agree with them., M [ Reply to This ]
Moviz,... &mdash 07/28/07 - 10:10:11 PM
...once again I'm quite delighted that you've stumbled onto my stuff. I am always surprised and flattered when people pick up on the guitar playing; I know very well that here at MacJams I'm very much a junior member of that club... Even so, I try to stretch the rough skill I do have into simple and pleasurable forms...
As for the rest of your kind comments, I hope that you will also check out the work of my collaborators here. The largest contributor to this particular mix of this particular piece was jgurner... by all means, give his stuff a listen, and more than one song, because he covers a lot of musical ground... and then of course, Macaudion is a world unto himself... So the same thing goes... Listen to anything of his that you can find...
Thanks again for listening and for your encouraging comments...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Good! &mdash 08/06/07 - 06:34:35 PM
such a calming and peaceful tune. Excellent arrangement, and production. Very spacious. Good work [ Reply to This ]
Thanks, Brandon... &mdash 08/08/07 - 09:22:49 PM
I'm pleased that I got to be part of this... Major credit for the space and peaceful vibe goes to jgurner on this one... He really laid out the bones of this piece...
Thanks for listening to it and letting me know what you think...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Chilled, not shaken &mdash 08/12/07 - 02:01:26 AM
I imagine that this would be an after hours jam, with musicians who have been playing all night, and there is no energy left, but still plenty of soul.
Great downtempo track.
Victor. [ Reply to This ]
Thank you for an astute comment, Vic... &mdash 08/14/07 - 09:32:57 PM
I'm glad you find something cool about it, low energy an' all...
Thanks for listening,
Ed [ Reply to This ]
really cool song &mdash 08/19/07 - 08:16:43 PM
I really like this tune. You did a great job putting it all together. Great guitar...many awesome strong points throughout the entire song that make people want to continue listening over and over. Thanks for sharing! [ Reply to This ]
Thanks... &mdash 09/06/07 - 08:16:01 PM
I hope you'll check out jgurner's stuff, as he is without doubt the 'architect' of this tune, the one who put the structure together...
I'm pleased you listened and enjoyed it...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
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