Primordial, Eternal

ktb

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This collaboration came as a result of a soundbed I had posted a few weeks back. Leon graciously added the killer Vocals & Lyrics and GlennKav had independently added some crushing Guitar work for an instrumental. Wanting my cake and eating it too, I asked Glenn if he could meld the two. With much skill and patience, he crafted this amazing mix.

Many thanks to Leon for sharing his exceptional talent, and advice on the mix. I truly believe the suggested tweaks made this one rise to its potetial.

Huge props to Glenn Kavanagh for making it happen. Your touch on the blend kept everything working at peak. Your guitar work is huge.

Leon : Lyrics, Melody & Vocals, Artwork

Glennkav : Guitar, Mixing & Production

ktb: the other stuff

also special thanks to Moviz (Maurice) for personally inspiring me to do more with my software. I appreciate your willingness to reach out and share.

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Lyrics

PRIMORDIAL, ETERNAL
(music by Karmatoburn; lyrics and vocals by Leon)

This feeling i have for you is just primordial
And yet it gives me power and visions celestial
It may seem to others that I am delusional
But I dream that we'll share a future eternal

Can you hear my heart beating
With a prayer so fervent and strong
Making love out of nothing
How can anything go wrong...

(break)

Can you see my heart bleeding
With my wishes so fervent and strong
Living life out of nothing
How can anything go wrong...

(break)

This world that we live in is so magical
That we share a destiny is all eventual
For two hearts in love this is all logical
But when emotions fly so high it's astronomical

Can you hear my heart beating
With a prayer so fervent and strong
Making love out of nothing
How can anything go wrong

(background)
Primordial... celestial...
delusional... eternal...
magical... eventual...
logical... astronomical...

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Hits: 3264
Comments: 52
Fans: 26
Plays: 367
Downloads: 164
Votes: 15
Uploaded: Jul 25, 2007 - 08:46:54 PM
Last Updated: Jul 25, 2007 - 08:46:54 PM Last Played: May 07, 2013 - 02:36:45 AM

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	said 2125 days ago (July 25th, 2007)
	this is really tasty! wow, i remember you original, but this work up is just superb! very nice vocals and lyrics. of course the guitar is quite delectible, too. very cool song. i am glad you found some peeps to really bring your idea to life! kudos!

guitapick	guitapick said 2125 days ago (July 25th, 2007)
	Great collaboration... ...tune (nice chord changes)/production/lyrics/playing (guitarist's definitely got it goin')/vox. Real fine, KTB.... Check out my latest song called 'Cuz I Can

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 2125 days ago (July 25th, 2007)
	great collab this really turned into something else from your original. pretty awe inspiring! Check out my latest song called Darkest Skies

	said 2125 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Oh, MY GOD!!!!! :-) :-) :-) This is just... What I NEEDED!!! You are sooo awesome KTB!!!! :-) I catch the original soundbed, but the new stuff is great also, and the lyrics are pure perfection!!! And the singer you picked is nothing short of awe - inspiring!!!! Kudos to the master KTB!!! Wow!!!

Feter	Feter said 2125 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Primordial, Eternal Groooovey ....and tastey piano mood from the back cool singing ..Glennkav did great guitar work here always Collab is the best thing happening here at MJs ..welldone and thank you for sharing this here ! Check out my latest song called Roll with it

ktb	ktb said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	collabs ditto that Feter, about collabs being the best thing about the site. Thx for checking this out Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

Moviz

Moviz said 2125 days ago (July 26th, 2007)

Very Cool...
this version of your song and with great work by all contributers. Leon's vocals are as always fantastic and bring a real 'freshness' to whatever he sings. The new arrangement too lends itself to the extra verses, though as I said previously, the originall tune you brought to MJ's stands on its own. It just gave us all a great soundboard (as opposed to 'Sounbed' LOL) to bounce off, but congrats to all on this excellent job, M

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ktb	ktb said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	life Maurice you gave life to your version as well. One of the best things from this site is the motivation arising from the interaction amonst members. Your a big part of that Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)

Great Collab .. one of the bests at MJ
This is superb !! .. really
I loved the music and how your vocal marriage the music.
Really loved all sides of this song, You guys do a great job in this one the guitar is just beautiful and really great tone.
Thanks for this piece, i liked the vocal harmony !!
Take care ..

Regardz
==============
Yeman Auf Al-Rawi

Wish to take a listen to this one ..
I REMEMBER : http://www.macjams.com/song/33577

Ed Hannifin

Ed Hannifin said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)

Once again...
I end up listening to a MacJams song that really isn't, stylistically, what I'd normally be drawn to... And really hearing the coolness in the elements that are here...

I love the bassline, for starters. I have been "hearing" bass lines lately, for some reason, and I like the way this one holds down the groove while also being light-fingered where that is called for...

And the sound bed once again has that ktb touch in that it sets things up for other people and other parts of the song to rise up and shine... I don't know if everyone who listens to karma's collabs hears the skill he has for being the musical 'glue' wherever he goes to work...As arranger, as keyboard guy, as whatever his function is in the moment...

The Leon lead vocal is really solid. I don't think I've ever tuned in to what a voice Leon has... and this tune seems to give him pretty of space to stretch out, and he does without sounding like he's just going for particular notes to show off... Plus, he had to think of a whole lot of words that end in "-al"...

The guitar playing has the proper degree of fire... On my headphones, this is the one element where I find myself wondering whether it sits right in the mix all the time... Sometimes I want it a little more forward...sometimes a little bit back... sometimes I wish it was a little less "wide" or little bit less 'Ernie Isley'... but I want to emphasize that I am talking just about the mix here... The playing is tight...

Reminds me of that song where Jeff Beck collab'd with Seal...

Nice work, guys...

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ktb	ktb said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	glue Ed, I take that as the highest compliment, A former bandmate likened my contributions to the group as corn starch for the sauce. Sure, he had been drinking heavily but I still took it as high praise ;-) I like the glue analogy much better! Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

timothy devine	timothy devine said 2045 days ago (October 14th, 2007)
	interject here I like the corn starch better Chef timothy devine again great tune Check out my latest song called Inside of You

dreadmon	dreadmon said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Smooth rock Nice work, guys! This is a nice, smooth rocker! Check out my latest song called Don't You

Leon

Leon said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)

How I got involved...
I promised John to sing on one of his songs like eons ago and never got the time and inspiration to work on it... until this song came along. He emailed me to give it a listen, and I read a few other comments in his original post which brought up my name as a possible good vocal match for this music (Hey, thanks, echoroom!). Style-wise and vocally, it was challenging because I never sang or composed jazz or rock-jazz prior to this. Thanks to John for his persistence and confidence in me. Thanks a lot, too, to Glenn for his splendid guitar work that really transformed the song and brought it to a whole new level with his rock-jazz arrangement. It was easy and quite pleasant and fulfilling to work with these extremely talented yet very humble guys.

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peacepiano	peacepiano said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Match You three match up well. Everyone gets a chance to shine in this song. One of the best collabs I've heard. Thanks Bill Check out my latest song called Sex tet

BranDaMan	BranDaMan said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	stunning quite a collaboration! Tasteful mix of piano work, guitar, and vocals. Really great stuff. I'd like to hear more work from this combination of talented musicians. Check out my latest song called Giving Up (Instrumental)

perceptualvortex	perceptualvortex said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Great stuff This is a killer collab, great work all three of you. Check out my latest song called Mercury (RPM 6)

Z293	Z293 said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)
	Very Nice Three different people from three different styles coming together for a great collab. What is it about KTB that brings the best out of everyone? Check out my latest song called La Pavillon

jiguma

jiguma said 2124 days ago (July 26th, 2007)

Impressive!
The original soundbed was really good, but this has gone somewhere altogether different, and, dare I say, better. Leon's powerful (and just plain GOOD) vocals lift this so much, and the production is awesome. Some excellent guitar from Glenn (although I agree with Ed about it maybe needing to be a bit better placed in the mix) ........... and the backing still sounds amazing.
Very good post guys!
Neil

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Norman Goodman	Norman Goodman said 2124 days ago (July 27th, 2007)
	Exceptional Guitar playing and vocals reminded me of Toto amd Karm just reminds me of.... well.... Karmatoburn. The Toto reference is intended as a compliment - Steve Lukather and Bobby Kimball are great musicians. Loved the song and the performances. Very impressive! Check out my latest song called Love Devotion Surrender

ktb	ktb said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	toto I love that band. And Bobby Kimball was their best singer. I understand he's back with the band. Glenn did lay in a little Steve Lukather... Thx Norman for listening Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

Tadashi Togawa	Tadashi Togawa said 2123 days ago (July 27th, 2007)
	Good song. beautiful. Thank you. Check out my latest song called Mexican taste

glennkav

glennkav said 2123 days ago (July 27th, 2007)

What fun!
I have to say I am really beaming over being a part of this colab. Everyone is right. Karma was the initial inspiration for this and the quality of his soundbed just made it easy to right music to. His playing is soooo good. And what can I say about Leon? Great vocals and lyrics not to mention some really great input on the mix of the song as a whole. This is quite frankly the most fun I've had in a long time. I hope I can do so many more of these colabs. Thanks Karma & Leon!!!

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Cori Ander

Cori Ander said 2123 days ago (July 28th, 2007)

Wow
Wow, I am just impressed over what you guys are doing. Like Ejh this is not my normal genre but I just can't stop listening.

On one level this song is quite energetic and lively, at the same time it is on another level very cool. That builds a depth into the song that catches me.

Then of course there are these great individual performances, not leaving great teamwork out.

Finally for some reason - and like Ejh again - one of the first things that caught me was the bass. If I ever had a band I would love to have a bass player like this! So cool and hot at the same time.

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ktb	ktb said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	bass Thx to you and Ed for paying such nice compliments re: the bass. It's midi, but it was one of my favorite parts of the original jam. When i listened to a mix with no bass it just lay there, Hector has agreed to play the real deal when we go into the studio :-) Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

Hectorious	Hectorious said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	Amazing as always Sorry I haven't come up with anything yet my friend but this version is awesome!!! Killer job everybody!!! Check out my latest song called Late Night Bus Ride (Sample)

ktb	ktb said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	sgu Hector, we'll have to a version of this for our CD! :-) Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

	said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	Incredible collab! Wow gents! I hope this isn't just a one-off deal. You guys are magnificent together. Brilliant musical composition. Fine piano playing. Wonderful and inspiring lyrics sung with conviction and power (welcome back Leon). Killer guitar riffing. Pristine mix...This one has it all. A pro job from beginning to ending! Love it! Be well!

ktb	ktb said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	I hope so! It'd be fun to do more like this. Leon's vocal and Glenn's fret work turned a simple jam into a real song. Thx for checking it out Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

	said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	Tops What a collab the singing guitar everything mixed and produced perfect! enjoyed this alot!!

ktb	ktb said 2121 days ago (July 29th, 2007)
	hey Egobandit, good to see you here. Thanks for checkin the tune Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

Roxylee	Roxylee said 2122 days ago (July 28th, 2007)
	You gys did an amazing collabs here. I feel like you are playing in a club and I got a center stage, front row seat. Yeah!! Your voices sound real good together, and the instruments rock! Check out my latest song called Emma, by davisamerica

Schello	Schello said 2120 days ago (July 30th, 2007)
	,-) Vocal real original, sofistic. music superb..nice job! Schello� ---------------- Im Not musician Check out my latest song called Snozz'en (Cronik Mix)

Scott Carmichael

Scott Carmichael said 2120 days ago (July 30th, 2007)

A very complete offering
killer is the word.. I've determined that I will only spead sunshine where it is warrented... so shine on this post... this has your signature aural beauty John... what you bring to the table is so consistantly excellent... Leon your vocals are passionate and strong... and they soar above the song... the first notes draw me in... the impressionistic lyric reminds me of Yes .... an all time fav... you leave it open to interpretation... then the frosting(guitars)... is dead on.. right on the money...

the result of all the puzzle pieces working together is very stirring

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ktb	ktb said 2118 days ago (August 1st, 2007)
	puzzle pieces Scott, thank you for the many kind words. Working with these two guys was a treat. Both really availed a lot of themselves to help turn a jam into a real song. I love this place Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

lengold	lengold said 2118 days ago (August 1st, 2007)
	Excellent collaboration. Pro class all round and absolutely radio ready. Downloaded. Thanks. Cheers Len Check out my latest song called B E A U T I F U L

	said 2118 days ago (August 1st, 2007)
	this is great leon has such a smooth, full range....the mix is spectacular....i don't listen to alot of music, as i am recording all the time, but i am glad i come over and heard this one.... great job, fellas!!!!! Allen also check out Montgomery California w/ Faelin

echoroom

echoroom said 2118 days ago (August 1st, 2007)

Genre defying
A number of peopel have said this isn't what they would normally listen to ... i'd agree, but for me, leon's vocals always transcend genre, and I could happily listen to him singing the phone directory (which he'd do with great warmth and passion).

A cool tune, which for some reason reminds me of the theme from 'moonlighting'. Nice guitar work, and the whole soundbed supports Mr. L's vocals superbly, letting thm soar into the night.

Top class, gents

Steve

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ktb	ktb said 2118 days ago (August 1st, 2007)
	phone directory so true..lol I could too! Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

said 2116 days ago (August 3rd, 2007)

glorious!
i'm still recovering from that final note, leon. the chills are subsiding, but the doctor sez it might take a while....

it's WONderful, guys! i remember this sans vocal, and it was pretty fine then, but leon infuses it with an energy that lights up my world. john - your keys are such a great foundation for anything to sit on. your work has an innate classiness that never disappoints. the snazzy guitar work and beautiful mix make for one helluva musical dish. love it! anne

Macaudion

Macaudion said 2086 days ago (September 2nd, 2007)

Iiiiiii think I remeber this...
As sweet as it already was, Leon's addition melds so beautifully w/ this.

I don't remeber there being a guitar on this - wasn't this originally submitted while asking for a little collabn' efforts - That g'tar is REALLY nice - Can't believe I don't remember saying something about it - Maybe this'd be a good time to read yer liner notes, John...

Hehe... Okay, big stupid here has read the your notes and I may be a tad on the stupid side, but not crazy. Okay...

In any event, I know that I hadn't felt that it needed anything to be complete, but the added goodies just pushes this way over the top for me.
As sweet as it already was, Leon's addition melds so beautifully w/ this.

I don't remember there being a guitar on this - wasn't this originally submitted while asking for a little collabn' efforts - That g'tar is REALLY nice - Can't believe I don't remember saying something about it - Maybe this'd be a good time to read yer liner notes, John...

Hehe... Okay, big stupid here has read the your notes and I may be a tad on the stupid side, but not crazy. Okay...

In any event, I know that I hadn't felt that it needed anything to be complete, but the added goodies just pushes this way over the top for me.

Nice, nice work, Leon and Glennkav! A very nice production, indeed!

Another nice ride from the groove maestro - Thanks, all! Dion

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John Stebbe	John Stebbe said 2074 days ago (September 14th, 2007)
	Great work The vocal reminds me of Al Green from the early 70s. Very effective drum groove. Guitar work is beautiful. Reminds of stuff by Boston, from late 1970s. Keyboard is not too prominent on this track, but I do hear a solid bed of keyboard action, under the flashy stuff. Check out my latest song called Woodwind Family Song

Enrique Gil	Enrique Gil said 2074 days ago (September 14th, 2007)
	Hi K Beautiful! I really enjoyed this one! This piece could easily be heard in any radio station, its that good.... Check out my latest song called Simple Feelings

timothy devine

timothy devine said 2045 days ago (October 14th, 2007)

Catching up tonight
Nice to here you work with a vocalist.
Leon is such a performer. His vocal is at such a pro level.
Great vocal lead into the guitar solo.
F#@kin outragious.
Guita mixed in thru the mix just right. Guitaring the tune to a rockin hot peak.

WOW

Tens
elevens
holy S#@t
Gino Vannelli comes to mind
faved downed and all that
peace
tim
speechless
gonna go listen again and again and again...

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ktb	ktb said 2044 days ago (October 14th, 2007)
	Gino Tim, thanks for ALL the comments. Gino V. is one of my secret pleasures. Some of his funk rock stuff is almost progressive rock with outstanding guitar work. GlenKlav did the mix meister work on this one and he struck it just right. Speaking of Gino V. I think our own I Spike co wrote some tunes on his last album. Very cool stuff Check out my latest song called Blackwater (by Tokai)

timothy devine	timothy devine said 2041 days ago (October 18th, 2007)
	Hey Thats a very cool tid bit. I got to check his stuff out. Thanks for the info. peace tim Check out my latest song called Inside of You

davisamerica	davisamerica said 1995 days ago (December 2nd, 2007)
	oh man where are my socks....you yeah..you just blew them off...the best of the best here...WOW Check out my latest song called 12

NorthPoint	NorthPoint said 1975 days ago (December 22nd, 2007)
	beautiful Nice collaboration folks! This one is nice and tight, and everything works. I liked it from the moment I heard the bass come in. The vocals are stunning. Great overall groove. The guitar is wonderful - I'd like to hear it louder in the mix but it might just be my mediocre speakers. Nice job all around. -- Alan Check out my latest song called Still Waters

stevec	stevec said 1918 days ago (February 17th, 2008)
	quality collab There's some serious talent at work on this, professional grade all around. Each part sounds just right, a masterful job on the production. Really, really well done. Thanks for sharing! Steve Check out my latest song called IOU - 1991

	said 1903 days ago (March 3rd, 2008)
	Astronomical I don't think I could add to anything that's been mentioned above. In fact this song seems to have generated some serious word output on the commentary. Everyone has all of a sudden become the music reviewer from the Sunday Times! I will only add that from a personal perspective you guys Rock!

paralax	paralax said 1887 days ago (March 19th, 2008)
	rockin jazz nice work really meshes together well.vocals are right on as well as great guitar work and keys too. Terry Check out my latest song called Blues instrumental ( Callab with FEEL )