Would it be different (w/sonnyjim/jiguma)

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A re-vamp of a re-vamp.

Matt M - vocals (lyric adjustments), file deletions
Neil P - bass guitar
AP B - guitar, backing vocals, production, composition, arrangement, some more file deletions :o)
Mathew "Muffy" Smith - lyrics

Thanks to them for volunteering their fab performances, very grateful. It is certainly 'different' now ;o)

Started in GBv3 .. ended up in Logic Pro 7.

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Lyrics

Stop, stop
Tellin' me you don't love me-
Stop, stop
Sayin' that you don't care-
If you left in the first place,
We wouldn't have this mess.
Why you stopped lovin' me,
I'll never know.

From all I did and all that I tried,
All I heard was lies, lies, lies,
Why I bother, God knows why I try,
When all I get are lies, lies, lies, lies.

Heaven/Hell knows at the start of the years,
The way it will happen, will it all end in tears,
If we knew then, what we know now ..
Would it be different?

It's fun while it lasts but pain when it ends,
Now your a friend, I have to call.
At the back of your mind, all you know is ..
it's better to have had love than have never loved at all... isn't it?

Ask yourself a question,
Turn it over in your mind,
Turn and look me in the eye
Why did you stop...

Song Stats

Hits: 2617
Comments: 67
Fans: 20
Plays: 553
Downloads: 109
Votes: 10
Uploaded: Aug 08, 2007 - 02:56:03 PM
Last Updated: Dec 15, 2008 - 04:42:23 PM Last Played: Nov 19, 2009 - 08:24:18 AM

Song License

Creative Commons License:
Attribution-NoDerivs-NonCommercial

Song Actions

Keywords:

collab (76), collaboration (115), metal (197), pop (568)

Hardware:

Mac Mini 1.66GHz, 2GB RAM
MOTU Traveler firewire audio interface,
Rode NT1-A mic, pop-shield
Gibson Les Paul studio (ZW pick-up set)

Neil's gear:
Fender Precision bass

Matt's gear:
AT 4047 mic

Software:

GB v3,
Drums on demand,
Logic Pro 7,
Ozone 3

Comments

	said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	heavy 70's when hard rock was king... ufo, and some sly takes on a few kiss riffs? nicely mixed... logic is a true step or two above GB...nicely done to all involved!!!

apb

apb said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)

:o)
.. you've been reading my influences again haven't you? haha

On the guitar:
Yup, I think I kinda go for a 70's guitar tone, slightly modernised .. and are show a fair influence to the energetic, more gutsy, rock'n'roll 1st 3 KISS albums here, especially "Dressed to Kill" and tracks like 'Come on and love me' .. with a bit of Queen thrown in for good measure .. the UFO is
a bit more subliminal .. hear it more in "long way home" than this .. this is more 'KISS' .. with a hint of pop.

Sonny Jim has such a powerful voice - made putting my
twee pop voice up against it something of a challenge ..
and I think I stumbled onto something at the bridge which
always had a little simple 'hook' quality to it ..that
everyone was picking up on .. Neil got it building nicely
there too I thought.

I've learnt alot doing this one.

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Roxylee	Roxylee said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Oh, yeah! You guys rock! I love the energy in this. The vocals, bass, electric lead, drums, everything is great. Real good collab. :-) Check out my latest song called Sweet Grace

apb	apb said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Thanks Roxanne .. I expect the guys will be glad to hear that, as I am. They are about .. lurking .. oh bother .. I forgot to tell Neil I posted ..brb .. hahahah Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Feter	Feter said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Would it be different one of the greatest Colabs you rock Guys .....KUDOS ! Check out my latest song called A Night With Feter feat'(Roxylee sloparts crissew johnwhitehead and Yamin AL Yamani )

apb	apb said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Thanks Feter steady on with the greatest collabs thing .. it was lots of fun .. and then lost files ..and then fun again .. glad you stopped by and we gave you a buzz. I think it's safe to say this re-vamp is the song I have learnt the most from doing to date... for which I am glad .. now if I can just remember ... :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

apb	apb said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Oh ... and sorry about deleting your previous comment .. I had to delete the previous upload, it had hung and the file got corrupted mid upload: either MJ or my ISP .. probably the latter this time. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	YAMMEY !! GREAT, guys you're great, everyone of you is a real great musician, and all of you are my friends !! this is killer tone and one of the perfect collabs i've heard. the vocal, the guitars and the bass (YAMMEY) it's really good job ! Thanks for sharing this piece here with us. Take ============== Yeman Auf Al-Rawi P.S : my new tone, it's short music !! .. � Crimson Sunset

apb	apb said 836 days ago (August 11th, 2007)
	Thanks Yemen .. glad you enjoyed it my friend. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Rock the house! Nice 70's-ish collab boys! Great vocals over cool & crunchy guitars. Mikey likey! Well done! Take care!

apb	apb said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Thanks Mike glad you enjoyed this retro sound/feel. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 839 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	even better! as much as i liked the previous, this kicks major arse!!! love the thick guitar-work and the production is nice and tight! excellent collab!!!!

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks bud .. "arse yourself a question" hahaha .. nah, wouldn't work .. felt like singing that though after Logic decided to evaporate a previous take of that twicky high bit at the bridge .. For this version my role switched mostly to producer...and backing vocal deleter. :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Power Pop! Alan, thank you for the opportunity to wail on your song; it was a pleasure to stretch out a little over the fine framework you made. BTW, your post-production rocks, too! Hat's off to Neil, as well, for fattening the whole thing up with real style. I think we done good........

apb

apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)

Thanks you..
.. it did feel this song was 20% performance and 80% production (from my part) .. the guitar for this was a one
take: I rehearsed this song so much around when it was written , that I can still play it in my sleep... so I'm relieved you noticed and appreciated the production effort.

It was incredibly flattering to get a request from not one but two! great MJ performers wanting to lend their time and talents to this. I think we did a grand job too. *back patting all round* :o)

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

racerat

racerat said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)

tasty
Wow. Rawk-On!
Really tight axe work, shock and awe. Devastating vocals and harmonies kudos to the vox master Matt. "this me-ye-e-ye-ess!" I'm dyin'! The way the vocals overlap each other in parts, along with the delay tails is so retro. The bridge is amazingly tasty. Top notch mixing in all it's pop-rock glory. My lighter is lit for an encore.

Check out my latest song called Frank's Song

apb

apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)

Wow
.. thanks Philip. I love your mixes and PRO-duction (as
r.a.d. calls it). I produce by the seat of my pants .. with a wing and a prayer etc..with no training, limited manual reading etc .. this was my first time mastering with the AU Plug-in Ozone 3 too.

I'm quite of the 'spin-off' bridge idea .. one thing just led to another ..

I'm quite partial to the "lu-uh-wu-uh-wuv-me" bit myself.

Thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed this.

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

apb	apb said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Oops typo... I'm quite "proud" of the 'spin-off' bridge idea Check out my latest song called Misplaced

djdrshaman	djdrshaman said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	rocks! southern rocker charm - arena rock riffs- and a kickin vocal! sonnyj is like bowie with better intonation - i love the 80s new wave rock feel of this 2 - good "fusion rock" kudos Check out my latest song called The East Weeps in the West (collab w/ birdmanwayne)

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks .. .. it's that banjo that gives it away huh? hahah .. Actually for a New York (USA), Australia, Scot living in Sweden (who has a rhythm sounds like a German guitarist from the 70/80s in an English band .. boy am I confused)..er.. where was I .. oh yeah .. outfit .. we don't do a bad southern rock number, if ah say so mesel' .. ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Excellent piece guys I think you nailed with saying it's a cross of UFO and a little bit of KISS. Great tune! Check out my latest song called November

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks Vic .. .. that's in the guitars? Or does Sonny's vocal give it a leaning to UFO? It's that mid-cut thang .. and the Gibson .. ;o) I am influenced by a few of their classic tracks .. and I like "I 'ain't no baby" from 'Obsession' too, great vocals. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Oh .. .. and I think UFO shows their "Small Faces" influence a fair bit from time to time too. eg. "Too hot to handle" .. and .. yup .. I'm influenced by them too. doh ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

jiguma

jiguma said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)

Thanks Alan
Good to see this is going so well. When I first heard this (on your first post) it seemed to have so much potential - which is why I was so keen to play bass on it. I think Matt's vocal really nailed it, but the guitars and drums were already excellent. The harmonies really topped it off for me. These multi-continental collabs are so cool ;) Always interested!
Neil

Check out my latest song called Lost In Translation (w Mike Watkins)

jiguma	jiguma said 838 days ago (August 8th, 2007)
	Nearly forgot! The banjo in the intro is a killer :) Neil --- THINGS MUST CHANGE Check out my latest song called Lost In Translation (w Mike Watkins)

apb

apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)

Thanks to you too ...
.. it was always on the cards, since Christmas, to collab on something with you and I am trully flattered this one peaked your interest...although it isn't really my 'current' genre of song-writing (what is? hmm).. it was great to re-vamp this oldie so well .. I feel we have done it justice... I rest my
case m'lord. :o)

I got to learn alot working with you both .. working your bass and only my second 'non-me' male vocal to mix/produce.

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Nearly forgot .. .. how long is your tongue? ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

echoroom	echoroom said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	heavee! Guys - this certainly is the right genre - heavee rowk alright! It sounds like you had nearly as mucj fun playing this as I did jumping about the room to it. Killer vocals, guitars up to 11 .... makes me feel like I'm 18 again! Steve Check out my latest song called Deeper (w/t Racerat)

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks Steve .. "why don't you make 10 louder?" :o) Actually DoD was created specially for bands like Spinal Tap ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

dolby	dolby said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Hellfire! This is a great noise. Perfect rock track. Very impressed with all the musicianship on this - a proper 'live' band sound. Michael Schenker at the Budokan. Fantastic, well done all. Phil Check out my latest song called You Can't Win Them All

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks Phil .. Flattered by the comparison .. Norman Goodman thought this one I did with vocals courtesy of the r.a.d. project was UFO-esque too... perhaps even more 'live at the Budokan' .. I do like a bit of MSG: Monosodium Glutamate, every chance I get .. and Unidentified Fried Objects too ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

ceilidh

ceilidh said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)

great sound
alan, good melody and really great vocals which fits fantastic to this kind of music. like the echoes on stop op op p! :) and ADORE the verse "ask yourself questions..... till the end of it. Great harmonies in it and truly nice contrast of it's soft sound in comparing with the harder rest of the song. And i LOVE that banjo!!!!!! More banjo! More banjo! More banjo!!!! :)

Check out my latest song called Gartan Mother's Lullaby

apb	apb said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	Thanks Pavlina .. sorry Pavlina .. are you sitting down? You heard that first explosion? .. well, the banjo player never made it. sniff. We lu-uh-wuved you Bob .. sniff ;o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	It seems I may be responsible for starting a new trend........ No matter, I'm happy to help. All the bay-ee-ay-ee-est, SJ

apb	apb said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	;o) ..it's called "style" SJ .. you got a great voice + style & panache too .. all reasonably priced as well :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 838 days ago (August 9th, 2007)
	allright Down and gritty riffin and rockin.. Diggin it on all fronts great collab!

apb	apb said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Thanks Tim .. it's a rootin' and a tootin' .. and .. er... tootin' and a rootin' .. er .. I'll shut up now :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

peacepiano	peacepiano said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Crank it up Great song to play loud! The new vocals definitely push this up a level. Your guitars and Niel's bass form a tight band giving this a higher energy sound. So when are you guys taking this on the road? ;) Thanks Bill Check out my latest song called I Should Have Known

apb

apb said 834 days ago (August 13th, 2007)

Thanks Bill ..
.. glad you stopped in to check out the re-vamped version ..
a must for those who enjoyed the first version.

"Dusty rode ..." .. well you never know .. someday .. MJs
should organised a small tour of USA .. connecting venues
that other MJers play .. could be very cool .. but costly
venture... so virtual bands become real for a small tour ..someone should work out the logistics... would be wicked
fun. :o)

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

lengold	lengold said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Alan.. The three of you have turned this from a good song to a great song. Really enjoyed it and downloaded. I like the beep sounds (a bit like a car horn) I hear in it too that were also in the original. Congratulations - great job. Len Check out my latest song called Dodgy Doughnut

apb	apb said 834 days ago (August 13th, 2007)
	Thanks Len .. .. what 'beep beep sounds'? .. hahah .. no seriously, where??? (gimme an iTunes timestamp bud) .. I don't recall putting in any car horns .. intentionally at least .. ;o) Darn that roadrunner .. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

J.A.Stewart	J.A.Stewart said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	Hot Doggies Lots of extra energy in this rendition from the bottom up. Fess up... who was wearing makeup while recording this? ;) --- Joe Check out my latest song called A Night @ Neverland

apb	apb said 834 days ago (August 13th, 2007)
	:o) Duracell bunnies ... in platforms! Who wasn't wearing make-up? hahahah .. there was some fire-breathing and regurgitating blood .. but that was the rough night/curry. :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

	said 837 days ago (August 10th, 2007)
	very cool great sound, professional file deletion.

apb	apb said 834 days ago (August 13th, 2007)
	Thanks "we delete the file .. with style" is our corny motto. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Macaudion

Macaudion said 835 days ago (August 11th, 2007)

Very powerfully packed...
You guys are pounding it out on this one. Lots and lots of passionate emotions spill from the performances on this one.

Great vocal performance, both lead and backing. Love it! However, I've never read in the liner notes, anyone receiving credit for deleting a file, but it's valid, I guess... Huh...

Can't beleive all of these great collabs recently! Perfect ensemble of players here.

Had kind of an 80's tinge to it - that's a cool thing - for you guys too, I hope! I was dign't the sounds back when, and still do.

Neil, I've never heard you ROCK like this before. Excellent job, my friend! You got a nice round sound outta those fat strings!

And you're just tearing it up on the g'tar, alan. Vocals too! Nice sound!

Great writing. Good production. Excellent arrangement!

Thanks, fellas! Dion

Check out my latest song called 123 iGetU

apb

apb said 757 days ago (October 29th, 2007)

Thanks Dion
.. I'm sure the guys appreciate your kind words, as do I.

That 'deletion' thang .. was more making 'a wee jest' of how
this song seemed to attract those annoying gremlins .. probably more 'conjuroring tricks involving file evaporation'... than of course anything intentional.

It was very much appreciated SJ not only took the time to
do this .. but re-did the main parts due to afore-mentioned
trouble.... we look back and laugh at it now, kinda thing..
lol.

Neil also provided an outstanding performance, very tight
and rockin'... I twiddled with his sound a bit, which he
was very open about- I wanted to try out some tips I'd gleened for bass production.

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

VicDiesel	VicDiesel said 835 days ago (August 12th, 2007)
	Wait. Was that a banjo? Apart from that it's a pretty standard but very nicely executed rock song. And apart from some occasional strings. I like how they just thicken up the sound rather than playing a real solo part. Great guitar playing and singing! Victor. Check out my latest song called Desert Stars

apb

apb said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)

:o)
.. surely was Vic. I kept it from the last version as it
seemed to get everyone in the 'right mood' for a listen
and thus would have (I suspect) been sadly missed.

It's not the worlds most complicated song and doesn't
pretend to be either .. it's as you say a pretty standard
'text book' rock song/arrangement.

I'm glad you mention the little synth work: it was important to choose well the voices to 'add' to the sound .. and as you say "beef up"/play supporting role in other spots .. and
never be very "hello look at me, I'm a synth!" .. kinda
thang... and I wanted to get away from just using the
typical hammondy organ sound for a change... although I am
fond of that.

Thanks.

Check out my latest song called Misplaced

SecaMode	SecaMode said 835 days ago (August 12th, 2007)
	rock on Alan, I loved this song the first time, and now it's bigger and better! You guys accomplished a very robust sound here, the result is very pleasing. A great song to begin, but yeah, I have to say it sounds awesome now! Loved it, faved it! Check out my latest song called Deux Cents

apb	apb said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)
	Thanks Sergio .. for taking the time to follow-up on this one and I'm glad it was 'a step' or two up on the previous version... I did hope since it had two additional fine performers on it .. I just had to not mess up the production, and we would be in the clear. :o) Check out my latest song called Misplaced

said 834 days ago (August 13th, 2007)

YEAH!!!
I'm glad you kept the momentary tweak of banjos. Starts with a grin, but then it kicks out the chocks and school is indeed in session, boys. This is the way it used to be when guitars were superhero weapons, and those who wielded' em were superheroes. KISS knew that, and we knew it too.

This is rock-solid, arena-volume fun - I was 16 again, shouting and cheering like a fool. Man, I love this place - lighters lit and held high for you, Sonny Jim and Jiguma. Excelle-e-ent!

apb

apb said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)

Thanks Rik ..
"when guitars were superhero weapons" and banjos were .. er ..
banjos :o)

Arena banjos .. it's the latest thing .. and chocolate
rabbits (of course) .. do they leave little minstrels around
whereever they go? ;o)

I needed to have a part for this famous Scottish comedian
to play ;o).. here he is in action with Sting .. enjoy: Blue Christmas

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said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)

Superhero With A Banjo
...hard to picture, isn't it? Some outragously-buffed-out Marvel comics guy with shoulders wider than a locomotive, cleft chin, great hair... and a banjo. (Cue banjo riff...)

UNLESS... the superhero-villian fight goes down while Bugs Bunny's "Hillbilly Breakdown" pumps away in the background. Yeah...

"Grab a fence post, hold it tight
Whomp your partner with all your might
Hit him in the shin, hit him in the head
Hit him again, the critter ain't dead
Whomp him low and whomp him high
Stick your finger in his eye
Pretty little rhythm, pretty little sound
Bang your head against the ground"

Maybe the banjo has some 'clout' after all!

.

Estella	Estella said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)
	hmm... great re-vamp. I want to say Sonny Jim's voice is like Joy Division's or Interpol's lead singers. Would be interested in hearing him sing something in that genre. Alan, great as always. Check out my latest song called Este Momento

	said 830 days ago (August 17th, 2007)
	Yes This similarity has been called to my attention before. Even though I'm pretty familiar with Ian Curtis (it was practically the official Muzak in my dorm at school....), I don't know anything at all about Interpol (I will look into it, though). As for singing other genres, I don't usually write for vocals in my own songs, but I'm always open to collaboration......

blaky smith	blaky smith said 833 days ago (August 14th, 2007)
	Don't stop ! So pleasant to listen, I love this. Great sounds and vocals, what a tonic piece ! Excellent performance and production, a good collab for a very good result Alan, on all levels. Thanks... Marc Check out my latest song called Sur le sable (w Jiguma)

apb	apb said 812 days ago (September 4th, 2007)
	Fear not .. .. I won't stop .. and neither should you.. I'm just recovering from my holiday (MJ UK). Thanks again for stopping in, listening and commenting Marc, much appreciated. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

said 788 days ago (September 28th, 2007)

This opens..
in your face Ace! hehe. I love this era in time! When guitar and songwriting reigned. The sound quality is top-notch. Makes me want to throw my Pro Tools out the window. Excellent performances by eveybody. The only thing I'd say, If I could be so bold is that it needs a slower fader slide in the end. Besides that, I enjoyed this a lot. Makes me want to tear up some "blues boxes".

Congrats Gentlemen!

Peace.

apb

apb said 788 days ago (September 28th, 2007)

Thanks Chris!
.. and apologies for confusing you with my comment on your song Evolution
. I wrote this song in .. oh 93/94 ish .. but even then it
had that much earlier era sound. :o)

I wouldn't throw the Protools away .. heaven forbid .. I do
find GB easier to use for recording and editing .. Logic
I am comfortable using the many plug-ins and it's great
for 'polishing' .. but also see your thinking about Ozone 3 ..
it eats CPU .. but it's very good .. I'm a total beginner
with it .. and so far have just tried minor adjustments to
the presets it comes with .. and been very pleased with
the results, it is pricey but worth it IMO. To give you an idea .. I can get up to something like 33 tracks or so (mostly real audio in GB but some midi and loops) with effects etc and locking/freezing .. this was re-launched into Logic (more plug-ins used there.. mostly "Space Designer") and I optimized the drums down to one track .. total was about 28 .. and I could have Ozone 3 running on the 'master' track without trouble.

Oh, I agree totally about the fade out btw (bold?).. if I recall, I wanted to start where I did (with the double bass drums) ..but I think there was something I wanted to hide a little bit past the end point .. and from listening to it since, I would, to behonest, make a few more edits on my backing vocals that bug me a little.. *doh* lol.

I'm thinking of getting a Line6 POD XT Pro thang .. might wait a bit and see if they do a Pro/rack version of the X3 or something even better.

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Dragonas	Dragonas said 771 days ago (October 15th, 2007)
	Great song! Great song! This is totally radio ready in my humble opinion. Hope you guys keep getting together and making music. Check out my latest song called LSD

apb	apb said 770 days ago (October 16th, 2007)
	Thanks very much .. we may well do, was a pleasure and privilege to work with Sonny Jim and Jiguma and the combo turned out a swell result. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Spingaro	Spingaro said 708 days ago (December 17th, 2007)
	Good.. ..rocking and tight sound. Check out my latest song called Three down

apb	apb said 708 days ago (December 17th, 2007)
	Tack Joacim .. nice to get a new listener. Appreciate it - as I'm sure my collaborators: sonny jim and jiguma do too. Check out my latest song called Misplaced

Heightened	Heightened said 697 days ago (December 28th, 2007)
	Not bad. Not bad at all. Check out my latest song called A Journey Through Starburst Galaxy M82

	said 624 days ago (March 10th, 2008)
	what a cool song, a big big voice and guitar. it makes fun!

abfkingsport	abfkingsport said 230 days ago (April 8th, 2009)
	ABFkingsport I can get into this. Love the bango at the beginning and the power.. Cool tune. The King Check out my latest song called Gold Digger

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