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echoroom (12), Drew Kopr (6), perceptualvortex (48), Che Guevara (1), Buenos Aires (1), Future War (1), Baby (37), David Thomas (7), Steve Craig (1), Andrew Koplan (1), seven (7)
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Writing and singing: Steve Craig (echoroom)
Bass, piccolo bass and organ: Andrew Koplan (Drew Kopr)
Other sounds and mix: David Thomas (perceptualvortex)
As usual it's a blast working with the kickass bassist Drew Kopr. And this time I also have the honor of collaborating with echoroom. Steve's lyrics and singing really shaped what started as a simple 7 jam between me and Drew into a full on rocking song that I'm proud to have mixed.
The song art is derived from a 1917 poster by Achille Luciano Mauzan.
Excess volume recommended.
Lyrics:
So young, so dumb
So young, so dumb
So young, so dumb
I am young and beautiful
Baby boy for a future war
Completely disposable
Che Guevara without the cause
You can make it on your own
No, no, no
You can make it on your own
You take me from my lover’s arms
Sign me up for the big parade
I am dumb and gullible
Che Guevara for data age
Got a holiday in the sun
Tell my mama I won’t be home
You can make it on your own
No, no, no
You can make it on your own
No, no, no
You can make it on your own
The revolution is postponed
You can make it on your own
Working for the government
Paying off the electorate
You can buy a mini gun
You can’t smoke a cigarette
So young, so dumb
So young, so dumb
So young, so dumb
So young, so dumb
Give me something to control
Get me out of this fucking mess
I’ll give you my bionic love
Che Guevara upon my chest
10,000 really dead
Buenos Aires a smoking hole
You can make it on your own
No, no, no
You can make it on your own
You can make it on your own
No, no, no
You can make it on your own
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Speachless &mdash 08/30/07 - 05:28:13 PM
Dave and Steve, all I can say is thank you; it was fantastic working this up with you guys. You both are sickly talented folks. [ Reply to This ]
My pleasure &mdash 08/31/07 - 05:02:29 PM
And I agree, it was really great working with both of you. Drew, thanks for thinking to bring echoroom into this one. When I sent you those drum lines, who would have thought it would eventually turn into this? Haha!
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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/34937">Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom)</a> [ Reply to This ]
Killer Song ! &mdash 08/30/07 - 05:32:10 PM
not enuf &mdash 08/30/07 - 05:50:45 PM
:O &mdash 08/30/07 - 05:55:31 PM
Great lyrics (admittedly not the first thing I usually notice on a pv post!), and incredible production. Vocals, playing (all good, but the drums are a particular fav) all first class. Outstanding post.
Neil [ Reply to This ]
The Journey Men &mdash 08/30/07 - 06:57:57 PM
Great song from three guys that seem to get around. You sound great together. [ Reply to This ]
power trio &mdash 08/30/07 - 09:00:39 PM
What a mixture! echoroom is just great on this Mr kopr just rocks downloaded and a big thanks ya!!! [ Reply to This ]
Good Song, good groove &mdash 08/31/07 - 03:16:00 AM
I like it all--
lyrics, arrangement, mix, song, style.
Particularly like the like metallic percussion doing the syncop. rhythm-- what is it? Muted cowbell? Something from the kitchen?
Seems like the right mix of talented individuals to make "the band."
:) [ Reply to This ]
david &mdash 08/31/07 - 05:05:44 PM
Thanks, man, I'm glad you like this! That metallic percussion is made of loops called 'brake drum percussion'--maybe you've heard of them :) I love bells and cowbells, but I try to keep them under control, haha. But I'm glad you like the way I used them here.
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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/34937">Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom)</a> [ Reply to This ]
Cracking stuff lads &mdash 08/31/07 - 03:26:35 AM
Explicit content &mdash 08/31/07 - 07:59:01 AM
Ever get involved in writing a song that you like soooo much, you can't believe that you were actually involved.
For me, this is one of those. I got the final mix last night and was grinning, dancing round the hotel room.
Dave and Andy - it was an absolute joy working on this, and one of the things that was so good was that we kept going at it until everyone was happy. Production and playing are ace, but to me, it's just an ace pop song.
Thank you for involving me in this, i'm really proud of this.
Guys - anytime, anyplace ...
Steve [ Reply to This ]
explicitly stated &mdash 08/31/07 - 05:12:21 PM
The feeling is mutual, Steve. And yes, I'm glad you are both happy with the final result. I couldn't be more pleased with it myself, and I sure enjoyed working with you guys.
Let's make another rocker when we can.
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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/34937">Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom)</a> [ Reply to This ]
Great experience &mdash 09/01/07 - 09:37:58 AM
It has been a very long time since I actually developed a tune with a band, but this was definitely one of those experiences. Each one of us authored this baby. I just wish Dave was not in Seattle and Steve in London....too many miles separate us for me to buy a round!!
Awesome tune, awesome time, and awesome experience guys! [ Reply to This ]
Almost forgot &mdash 09/01/07 - 09:41:42 AM
Dave, great art...that is some look on the soldier's face...very striking. [ Reply to This ]
Yes &mdash 09/01/07 - 02:27:07 PM
I thought that poster was really dramatic (especially for that artist). I like how he's recruiting you for the war effort.
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
So tell us the truth.. &mdash 08/31/07 - 09:18:53 AM
you really got David Bowie to sing for you on this, right? This is quite frankly the best collab I've heard. Great singing. What a cool voice! Great lyrics! Great rhythm section. Awesome! [ Reply to This ]
... actually... &mdash 08/31/07 - 10:33:30 AM
... I thought i sounded more like Jim Bowen on this ... nothing in this game for two in a bed ....
Steve [ Reply to This ]
Oh, right... &mdash 09/02/07 - 04:52:52 PM
... how many people on this site are you expecting to get that reference, Steve? Me, you and Dick Langford? Still, the song pretty much hits the bullseye (can you see what I did there?). I shouldn't be surprised given the talent of the people working on this track. Nice work, boys.
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Check out my <a href="http://www.epilepticgibbon.co.uk">music podcast</a> [ Reply to This ]
glennkav &mdash 08/31/07 - 05:13:50 PM
Hey Glenn, thanks for the super kind comment, man!
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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/34937">Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom)</a> [ Reply to This ]
Future War Baby &mdash 08/31/07 - 10:01:59 AM
Nice! &mdash 08/31/07 - 11:53:34 AM
Oh, this is an excellent collaboration!
Good writing, good lyrics, excellent performances (by all of you) and just a cool vibe!
That's pretty much everything a cool song needs, innit?
Very nice work!
-Einar S. [ Reply to This ]
Vortex expanding!! &mdash 08/31/07 - 12:17:43 PM
What a tight, well-mixed/written song. Besides Steve's voice, which is perfect in this musical setting and sounds great I was especially impressed by the drums. The broken up beat is fantastic and adds a lot to the already solid guitar soundbed. And what's more - this collaboration sounds more like a band that's played together for years, rather than sound files mixed together. That's a surprisingly difficult thing to achieve and you guys really outdid yourselves. I'm totally impressed with everything here. And the vortex is growing bigger and better with every new song...unstoppable [add some pulsing sci-fi sound effects] [ Reply to This ]
Together for years &mdash 08/31/07 - 02:33:26 PM
that's an interesting comment - there was a great amout of collaboration between all three of us on all aspects of this song ... the structure , was the chorus strog enough etc.
Dave did a number of mixes and we all had our say, so i do think this is a true group effort (we even debated the use of the word f**k in the song), although the mix of this is all Daves work (by the way, you really nailed the bridge dave!) [ Reply to This ]
pulsing sci-fi sound effects &mdash 08/31/07 - 05:27:04 PM
Thanks, Parichayaka, I really appreciate that. I was also impressed by the extent to which this sounds like an actual band. As Steve mentioned, it was truly a group effort with lots of iterations of the mix, and emails about what might be changed. Their feedback to me was invaluable--and in some ways this collab really was like a band practicing together and discussing the music.
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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/34937">Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom)</a> [ Reply to This ]
So Young &mdash 08/31/07 - 03:58:01 PM
Hey guys,
This is ACE! I actually downloaded it before it got to the bridge. I almost forgot to fav it, I had to "own" it so bad. Steve's voice is really suited to this rock anthem thing. I am excited to hear him stretching out and Rawkin'. Tastefully delayed and echo'd. I think Steve's voice could be just a little more out in front though, that's just me. The drums are particular well done. Something I can never give enough time or effort to. Kudo's. The lyrics are great, vague, suggestive leaving just enough to the imagination. Great bass and soft synth's. Really huge. [ Reply to This ]
... so dumb! &mdash 08/31/07 - 04:03:49 PM
Hey Philip! Last night in Kenya, I'm home tomorrow. I know i told you about this ... it was great to do such a rockin' track ... `i'm getting my voice warmed up for when we do some Black Angels drone tacks! As for the drums, you've no excuse now you've got BFD! Thanks for checking this out ... having worked with you and now Dave, i don't ever wanna try mixing a track on my own again!
Steve
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Check out 'Future War Baby' by Perceptual Vortex, with Drew Kopr and Echoroom. [ Reply to This ]
racerat &mdash 09/03/07 - 11:52:26 AM
Thanks, Philip! I appreciate your kind words, and the suggestion about the vox. It was especially fun for me to assemble and refine the drums, so it's cool that you like them.
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
What can I say? &mdash 08/31/07 - 07:27:28 PM
...except "Amen!" Fab collab guys. Timely subject matter. Great chops! Excellent vox. Mondo drums and percussion. This rocks and that righteously!
Be well!
Sitting: http://www.macjams.com/song/34978 [ Reply to This ]
all the talent &mdash 09/01/07 - 12:49:29 AM
non-withstanding ... this whole tune is a rock masterpiece. I really enjoyed the subtle ex's. Which I really love to bend my ear into.
Not only did you assemble an excellent cast, but you assembled a nice rock masterpiece! [ Reply to This ]
Good JOB ! &mdash 09/01/07 - 11:53:14 AM
Excellent collab, the playing sounds good, the vox is great and really fit ! Rock On Guys !
Take Care
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Yeman Auf Al-Rawi
When The Sun Rises : http://www.macjams.com/song/34775 [ Reply to This ]
Fantastic Virtualization &mdash 09/01/07 - 11:57:45 AM
You guys make a great virtual band... what a great participation. Really strong composition. Nice! [ Reply to This ]
Fantastic tune guys &mdash 09/01/07 - 12:42:03 PM
I'd say everyone is at the top of their game on this one. I was commenting to my wife this morning about the amazing collabs happening these days - and here's another one. Steve - your vocals get better with each tune. Killer production and playing. Dl'd and faved. [ Reply to This ]
oooh yes... &mdash 09/01/07 - 02:34:29 PM
Holy cow, David, this is goood! Reminds me of the fact that I should do some more rhythmic stuff as well. I love the stubborn rhythm, Steve's vocals, the whole drive of the song. This is Bowie at his best... and beyond. Great great great things in my ears.
- walt [ Reply to This ]
moorlandt &mdash 09/11/07 - 10:47:26 PM
Thanks man, glad you like the rhythms in this one. I always like working with interesting ones. Thanks Walter!
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
All I can say is... &mdash 09/01/07 - 03:09:45 PM
...SOLID work, guys! From the rich layers of instrumentation to the rich layered vocals... this was a rocking sound experience much enjoyed. [ Reply to This ]
Hum... &mdash 09/01/07 - 06:01:35 PM
Pressed for time, I'll let the dictionary expound upon my feelings about ALL of the performances here...
We'll start with: awesome
adjective
inspiring awe or admiration or wonder; "New York is an amazing city"; "the Grand Canyon is an awe-inspiring sight"; "the awesome complexity of the universe"; "this sea, whose gently awful stirrings seem to speak of some hidden soul beneath"- Melville; "Westminster Hall's awing majesty, so vast, so high, so silent" [syn: amazing]
And you fellas did "amaze":
1. to overwhelm with surprise or sudden wonder; astonish greatly.
And once again, it was all in the right hands of Mirster PV, himself. This guarantee that all of the above will the end result in producing, said, performances!
Since all has been forewarned about the "explicit" nature and content on this page, and If you can say it here, Steve, then so can I... This is
fucking hot!
Thanks guys! Dion
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Dion &mdash 09/11/07 - 10:50:27 PM
Webster's defines 'appreciative' as... haha. Thanks for the kind words, my friend, I'm glad you enjoyed this one!
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
swellishes &mdash 09/01/07 - 09:13:23 PM
great song sweet drums I love the rythmic feel nothing wrong with using cowbells and bells or shakers or tamborines they add alot.you got that rythem sound.
Terry [ Reply to This ]
paralax &mdash 09/11/07 - 10:52:28 PM
Thanks, Terry, glad you like my rhythm tracks here!
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
OOOH &mdash 09/02/07 - 04:47:01 AM
Yes, I hear David Bowie similarities. A very very polished track in mix and arrangement and I LOVE the vocals. Great use of effects and the Drums and bass RAWK.
Just an AWESOME track..
Slimmie
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Draft me, baby! &mdash 09/02/07 - 09:55:02 AM
We'll ride the Iron Butterfly into battle. Strong performances all around. Exceptional production. Rock on my brother! [ Reply to This ]
nice &mdash 09/03/07 - 11:08:23 AM
It's all been said &mdash 09/03/07 - 12:47:47 PM
A jam that turns out to have something to say... &mdash 09/03/07 - 01:29:07 PM
This works on every level for me...it kicks, it rocks, the lyrics, singing, production, everything is strong, strong, strong...
I've just been talking to my youngest stepson about his thoughts about wanting to join the military...this gets right into some of what I've been thinking and feeling...
You guys have turned out something that is really greater than the sum of its parts...
Of course, people are going to be all over the vocals, lyrics and melody, and Steve's ability to phrase Bowie-like and Reed-like without sounding like he's just doing tricks... and people are of course going to be loving the drums, which have some rhythmic component that only someone who can juggle an odd number of balls can count...And I agree with all that... AND I think that that Drew is one of MacJams' secret weapons, and should be shamelessly used by way more MacJammers... A bass player who can do 'busy' or 'laid back', as called for, and who is always the glue in whatever groove he is brought to...
Totally great, guys...
Ed [ Reply to This ]
Glue! &mdash 09/04/07 - 05:00:34 AM
Thanks Ed - I've had a lot of good comments, 'cause I suppose the vocal is what people listen to in a pop song, and Dave has had loads of kudos for the drums and the mixing, but you're spot on about Drew the glue - he pulled this all together ... in fact, it was Drew that asked me to get involved. And, there is no guitar on this, other than Drew's bass, which I find astonishing.
In fact, i'm now pleading with him to do some bass for an odd little track I'm doing ... I think this song should ensure that his dance card is pretty full !
steve
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Check out 'Future War Baby' by Perceptual Vortex, with Drew Kopr and Echoroom. [ Reply to This ]
Secret Weapon &mdash 09/05/07 - 05:08:59 PM
It's amazing to me the range of tracks that Drew can pull off... listen to his bass on Forbidden Zone for a totally different corner of his gamut. Almost everything that's not singing or drums in this song is him, which is pretty amazing. So yeah, you're sure right about Drew being a secret weapon.
And echoroom's singing was a revelation to me; I mean, he just plain rocks, and it's not easy finding such a quality rock singer. I hope to work with both those guys again.
I'm glad this also works in parallel with discussing the military with your stepson. Thanks for listening, Ed!
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
I really can't... &mdash 09/03/07 - 05:49:18 PM
...add anything more to what's been said on this page...a terrific collab guys! To be honest, what is normally 'not my type of music' has totally aurally slapped me in the face in a 'now I see the light!' way & I'm here to testify! Conversion is complete!
Cheers & Thanks guys!
Alf
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Wow..... &mdash 09/03/07 - 08:48:36 PM
Great piece of work Dave but I always expect great work from you. Nice mix full sound, echoroom nice lyrics and vocal, Drew as always great playing. Boy I sure miss doing this, great piece of music all of you.
JAC [ Reply to This ]
John &mdash 09/05/07 - 04:58:30 PM
Thanks, John, I appreciate that! Send me another rocking guitar track when you can :-)
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
Great Song &mdash 09/04/07 - 05:56:04 PM
And very timely for whats going on today. I'd like to hear a solo in this for about 30 seconds with aggressive guitar and back up. Its a catchy tune and I think this would give even more energy to the song....Excellent!
Peace, Norman [ Reply to This ]
Ah yes &mdash 09/05/07 - 01:16:26 PM
Another fabulous collaboration featuring Echoroom on vocals... Good job all around, nice counter-reactionary lyrics (I like the line "I'll give you my bionic love, Che Guevara upon my chest"), excellent mix and drum sounds. You guys rock. [ Reply to This ]
Fantastic &mdash 09/05/07 - 03:30:11 PM
Cool song &mdash 09/05/07 - 06:46:37 PM
What? &mdash 09/06/07 - 12:13:38 AM
What the hizz-ell happened to my comment? I swear I commented days ago, but it's not here, or at least I don't see it.
Hey! Steve said the effenheimer. For a site with a bunch of bad-boy musicians on it, it's really surprising that doesn't happen more often.
I really dig the sounds Drew gets out of that picolo bass and I think my favorite part of your contribution, Dave, is the piano, especially the way you chose to effect it. Very cool. Of course, without question, the production is stellar.
Steve, lyrics make me sick with jealousy, as per usual. If I had ever thought of giving anyone my bionic love, I think I could retire. That's awesome! [ Reply to This ]
F++K &mdash 09/06/07 - 12:24:30 AM
We had a quick debate about the use of the f-word (or 'fuckin', as it's known), voted yes, then all threw a telly out the window ... rock n roll!
My love is actually bionic, but not worth $6million dollars (£45.23 more like).
steve
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Check out 'Future War Baby' by Perceptual Vortex, with Drew Kopr and Echoroom. [ Reply to This ]
Lisa &mdash 09/06/07 - 12:09:56 PM
Nice to see you here! I don't know what happened to your comment. Maybe it's sitting there on someone else's song page!
Anyway, thank you, I'm glad you like the way this one was produced. I didn't add any piano--I think you're referring to yet another awesome contribution by Drew, the piccolo bass leads (right after "you can't smoke a cigarette" for example). I really only added percussion and a bit o' flute and strings.
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Future War Baby (w Drew Kopr, echoroom) [ Reply to This ]
Hmm &mdash 09/06/07 - 12:13:38 PM
Wow... &mdash 09/06/07 - 04:15:54 PM
...this is serious stuff...everything about it...
I've usually got a big mouth...but you've left me speechless on this one, guys. Excellent work! [ Reply to This ]
The Late 80's &mdash 09/06/07 - 04:30:24 PM
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