Braided Rose

SmokeyVW

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album: Perdita
track 1: 2:03 When Darkness Long Has Veiled My Mind
track 2: 6:36 Y
track 3: 4:36 Unrecovered Memories
track 4: 3:01 Miracles
track 5: 2:16 Octonion
track 6: 6:39 Headlong Morosely
track 7: 2:37 Piano As Percussion
track 8: 7:20 Great Maker
track 9: 3:28 Braided Rose
track 10: 5:19 Bygones
track 11: 4:34 Unfettered
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Several rows braided together. They are constrained to harmonize by only major or minor chords. I used a computer to find some rows meeting this constraint.

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Uploaded: Sep 21, 2008 - 04:20:17 PM
Last Updated: Oct 05, 2008 - 06:58:53 PM Last Played: May 12, 2010 - 08:29:12 AM

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elektronix	elektronix said 677 days ago (September 21st, 2008)
	Very interesting! This has an one of a kind mood. Is this only Garageband? Or what software did you use? Nice stuff. A little spooky... Thank you very much for sharing! Greetings, Bernd Check out my latest song called piano tasks1

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 677 days ago (September 21st, 2008)
	. yes, GarageBand only. i used the Orchestra JamPack and a Boldt Trumpet (JL) thanks! Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

davisamerica	davisamerica said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	wow bill .... see ... you are a contributing reason i have yet to tackle "Logic" ... such amazing work wit GB ... makes me realize how much of a "newbie" i still am .... "duodecaphonic" indeed! Check out my latest song called Texas Jam (sloparts band mix)

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. it all depends on what you're trying to do. my main interest here is composition. the sound is good enough in GB, and i got what i wanted in terms of production. thanks Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

ic42	ic42 said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	1 rose 4/4 u it is up and down music. it rose. it fell. the melodies intertwine in the mind. it provokes thoughts and ideas. it seems that much of the music is 4/4, however the chord sequence deceives the mind... and it does not sound of 4/4. it is a beautiful experiment. thank you to tease this mind. 0x0 Check out my latest song called 5 4 all - Tempis Fuguettes

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. since each row is 12 tones, i had the option of grouping notes into phrases that are in 3/4 or in 4/4. they are mixed in various ways here. one voice actually plays its row in 3/4 and in 4/4, and near the end it's fragmented so as to be heard in either time signature... thanks Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

Char	Char said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	Bold trumpet; I like that the best as it heralds that something is coming and is worth waiting for. Thanks. Check out my latest song called Bound

ednetmonkey	ednetmonkey said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	I agree The dawning of ? Very evocative. Nice one. Check out my latest song called Chitchatter

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. many thanks Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

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SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)

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about that trumpet...

initially, the synth trumpet track was so clean and pristine that it sounded fake. (no slight intended to any trumpet players out there, but trumpets generally have mistakes sprinkled throughout - brass is an unforgiving instrument.) so i added a couple of flubs to the trumpet, and it sounds much more realistic (to my ears anyway)

thanks

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Moviz	Moviz said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	Love your mix of major and minor chords in this and a great recording mix too. Sounds as though it would be cinematic music for one of those mystical historic films. Very original sounding, cheers M Check out my latest song called Love, Love.

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SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)

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the major/minor chords are a consequence of combining three rows under the constraint i gave the computer program. the program found about 1400 combinations of three rows with the required note-by-note chord relationships.

i went through a bunch of them, and picked two nearly identical sets. they were modified by swapping chords until i got something that sounded nice to me.

thanks!

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craft	craft said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	ye great for a soundtrack... nice arrangement... Well done Check out my latest song called Stargaze

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. thank you i'm glad you enjoyed this Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

TG	TG said 676 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	Nice music Bill it made my imagination wander what more can you ask of listener? :) Check out my latest song called Isabelle

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. won't ask more. thanks Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

LunaTrick	LunaTrick said 675 days ago (September 22nd, 2008)
	I like this... Interesting constraint... and affectation. Could here this with a slightly atonal vocal line! Check out my latest song called Luna Gypsy Heart II (Eternal Firelight)

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SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)

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this emerged from some experiments a few months ago in programming rows.

i wanted to find something Schoenberg-like, but with no dissonances.

of the 12! (factorial) possible rows, only around 1400 triples of them can be formed where each note forms only a major or minor chord. once you pick one row, you can still transform it by pair-wise swaps of the chords. there are lots of possibilities remaining in this space.

thanks

Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

	said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	I bow... ...to your prolific-ness! This sounds very cool Bill. It reminds me in places of background music to one of those old Alfred Hitchcock hour shows. Ha ha... Braided Rose is an interesting concept to try to set to music. You are as brave as you are creative! Be well!

SmokeyVW

SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)

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you know that a row is a sequence of 12 tones such that each of the 12 chromatic tones is used once and only once.

if i did it right, there are exactly the same number of notes totalled up in the entire song for each of the 12 pitches. that would give it no tonal center, and sound a lot like much of 20th century atonal music. i don't know if Hitchcock used a tonal music a lot. Lots of horror and space or sci-fi films did for sure.

no idea if i actually did this correctly.

the title is a silly pun: braided rows.

thanks

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	said 674 days ago (September 24th, 2008)
	Ha! You wascally Pythagorean you!

michael2	michael2 said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	bill i am really blown away by this piece. really beautiful. you're really setting a nice mood and those melodies are outstanding. you are amazing sometimes. Check out my latest song called I Fell Behind

SmokeyVW	SmokeyVW said 675 days ago (September 23rd, 2008)
	. without computers, this would never have been written. i was "in the loop" in that i picked the pattern out of a slew of choices. and then i arranged it, assigned instruments and pacing and all that... i really enjoyed blending the orch instruments in each line to form the sounds here. i spent a lot of time on that. thanks Check out my latest song called Transformer Altar (Live Wire)

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HenriROGERsoloandbands said 618 days ago (November 19th, 2008)

12

Very nice piece .
It's interesting to experiment these composition techniques .
The "serial composers" used also other parameters like pitch and rythm using the number 12 as constraint .
12 different intervals then backwards , then split in 2 parts , then reversed ... For exemple .
Then they were able to find musicians and orchestras to play it !
It was harder and it still is to find an audience more than 12 people . :-)

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SmokeyVW said 575 days ago (January 1st, 2009)

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maybe you know the answer to this:

you take a 12-tone row and fill out a 12x12 matrix where pitch is on one axis and time is on the other. the operations you mentioned are things like mirroring on the time axis (retrograde), mirroring on the pitch axis (inversion), or operations like swapping rows or columns.

once i tried rotating the matrix or flipping it on the diagonal - which exchanges time and pitch - has any famous composer ever tried that? and what does it mean? :-)

thanks!

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mjAlbumPods	mjAlbumPods said 583 days ago (December 23rd, 2008)
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