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The weather wouldn't allow me to go to work today, so I stayed home and worked on some music this afternoon.

I originally posted a jam from my Zoom H2 called Arctic Voyage.
http://www.macjams.com/song/48744

The song was a jam I had with two friends that kinda turned out cool towards the end. I have been adding it to jams with various friends and it has been evolving. I finally decided to do some 'official' studio recording with this and here is the result.

I am especially interested in production critiques this time around because I worked on it slightly more than other songs in my catalogue. In particular I played my Rhodes again and took the sound more seriously, I plugged the pre-amp out into my interface and then tweaked the eq a bit in GB. My homemade silver electric guitar was the rhythm in the left ear. I panned the rhodes and the rhythm guitar hard right and left and then played the lead on my Hofner Jazz guitar. The Bass was direct in and both the bass and lead guitar are center on the mix.

As far as any effects added, there were none added to any of the rhythm instruments including the bass, just direct-in. But I did eq these because of some suggestions on my previous recordings mentioning that I needed to give each instrument its own space. I subtracted eq in the rhodes and rhythm guitars where i added it in the lead guitar. Also, I doubled the track for the lead guitar and added just about 20% of the GB generic reverb.

I even did some tweaking of the midi drum tracks. Instead of letting them loop all the way thru. I still used only Lounge Jazz Drums 06 all the way thru, but I deleted some of the hits on the ride and tom and moved some of them up or down the pencil track to another sound, I don't know if it makes it less repetitive or not.

The only thing I'm sure I don't like is the ending, but I thought i'd take suggestions and fix that in a following version.

Also, is there anyone experienced with Logic that thinks they could take what I've already done and add some professional slickness to it??? I've always wondered if I could really make my songs any better if I upgraded to logic.

Thanks for listening.
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Uploaded: Apr 03, 2009 - 04:47:11 PM
Last Updated: Apr 03, 2009 - 04:47:11 PM Last Played: Nov 15, 2009 - 06:21:27 AM
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Hardware:
1978 Rhodes 73, Hofner J5 Archtop, Bondietti Custom 6-string, Bondietti Custom electric bass
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Garageband, Apple Drum Loops
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Andy-bm said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
Great Song
and well played. Nice Jazzy feel. The midi drums sound great. As far as production, I could address the mixing for you. Panning is double edged sword. You want to add a spatial feel to things, and not crowd the instruments, but there is a down side in that it can become distracting. It has to be done very carefully. I find that, in general, the bass and all lower freq's sound better centered. The parts that you have panned, in particular the guitar track that is hard left, has too many lows in it for the hard left. There are two ways to address that. One is by bringing it back center and using a multi band stereo imager to "move" the sounds left and right by frequency band (like the one included in Qzone). The more simple way is to EQ the lows out of the signal that you are panning. You want to make room for all the instruments with the EQ. In other words, check to see if that guitar track is sharing the low and low mid bands with the bass line. If it is, eq it out and the bass line will have more definition. Then the track will sound more spatial and natural over in the hard left. Anyway, that's my critique. Considering all the work that you have done, that's not much to critique. Nice job!

//Andy
Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
thanks, andy
i appreciate the critique. although the 'multi-band stereo imager sounds cool, i'm sure that's probably beyond me right now. I noticed that what I did on the rhythm track was suck the mid out and add some on the bass end and the treble end. the :) , but I didn't think that it would take away from the bass, that's a good catch. I'll definitely work on that part of the mix and see what it sounds like.
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ktb said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
lazylicious
hmmmm, what a wonderful laid back chill vibe. All so very organic sounding as well. Nice balanced mix
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
hey thanks
Yeah i like to go for the laid-back vibe. Thanks for the listen.
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Feter said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
Arctic Voyage
DId I told you before how I loved this hofner ? ..top notch cool soothin jazzy
gas ...I think one of your best productions ever ...a tight tight work ...the
Rhodes here is magic ...very cool my friend ...thnx alot for sharin !!!!
Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
thanks, feter
thanks for mentioning the rhodes i've been wanting to fit it into a mix.
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Daugrin said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
Cold Trec
No apologies necessary here, you are on the way:)
You did ask, so, I'd ask you to try to put your pick away. Brush the strings with the fat part of your thumb on the chordal stabs, like a painter, brush those colors against the groove. Claw at the strings for the rest.
Approach any solo as the development of a complete thought.
The chord tone for cold steely chords is the fifth. Reharmonize with a whole tone dissonance off the root, so the voice is C,D, third (optional), fifth and whatever color you need for your melody. Turn down the tone on your guitar, use more presence, go for a warm tone against the cold chord colors.
Best of luck with it, your doing great!

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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
thanks for the critique!
for the rhythm chords i did use the thumb & claw, but I think I actually added a bit of the treble to make sure it didn't take over the same tone as the solo line. As far as the dissonance and harmony, that's something I'm trying to learn, but having a hard time with. Thanks for bringing it up, the great thing about having this recorded is that I can keep working with it, maybe in the next incarnation of this song I'll have that worked out.
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Monkaton said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
On the Right Track
No pun intended from above, but I think you did a very good job on this. The instruments are clean and clear. My experience is that you can always redo a song, even if it's perfect, you can make it more "perfect". At some point you have to weigh continued mixing and eqing with the spirit or the integrity of the piece.

I think you're production is good. I would concentrate on the playing to ensure that you are communicating the right feel of the music.

Good job.
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
thanks for your insight...
I appreciate the point on maintaining the integrity of the piece. Most of my recordings are one-off jams with my H2, so I think at least one of them should be taken to 'Steely Dan" proportions as far as perfecting goes. You're right about the perfecting of the playing though, it's one area where I need to work harder than I do. ADD is my excuse.
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guygrooves said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
This is awesome
Brian this is so good in so many ways, that critiquing it just seems wrong. With that said here goes...... I don't think I could do as well as you did with the eq and tone of the guitars and I have more toys lol. Great job on those. Andy is right about the panning, my thought would be to bring them back a bit toward center, it is a double edged sword. what Daugrin said about the guitars tone is dead on. I listened to this initially on my crappy Imac speakers and it sounded fantastic. I then plugged in a very expensive set of Sony studio cans and what both Andy and Daugrin said made complete sense to me. If you did this on GB then I would love to see what you could do with Logic, and a program like Ozone. Like I said I have more toys but I couldn't hold a candle to this by comparison. You have a fantastic set of ears and great instinct. I also don't like the ending but, hey no biggy, this might turn out to be your "The One" lol. I can't wait for the next incarnation of this tune. It's in my Jazz folder and all to come will be as well. Thanks for the D/L
Peace
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
thanks again guy
I appreciate your comment. I'm not sure about this Ozone, it's been mentioned twice now. I imagined that one thing I would like to be able to do is have a graphic interface that shows where in the room I imagine the music coming from and Ozone does the hard work of panning and eq? If that's the case than it's definitely worth a look.

P.S. This is definitely going to be my "The One" :)
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announcer said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
about the drums
You probably could afford to tweak the drums a bit more. This type of music needs to have a "drummer" who works with the group. One who emphasizes the phrases that the lead player is working on. You, of course are working with midi drums but that gives you the ability to tweak them all you want, changing up some of the hits and the velocities of some of them, moving from one cymbal as the ride to a different sound, etc. Your recording sounds good and clean and most of the choices you have made for sounds etc. sound good for this type of song. Remember when using panning that there is space all over from hard right/ left to a whole bunch of space in between. Also don't forget that you have a z axis ... the depth of the mix. Depth can be added any number of ways using a touch of EQ, a reverb program etc and can be an art unto itself. You are on the right track (pun intended) Logic will allow you to make a very slight improvement in sound quality because GB only works at 44.1 kHz sampling rate and I think logic will sample at 48 K (high frequency of your recordings will then extend out to about 24kHz as compared to about 22.050 kHz which is still well above what most humans hear well) but you can do a lot with garage band. I would suggest that you master this program first ... then move up when you really know what you are doing and when you know what you would LIKE to do that you can't do on GB.
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
about the drums....
yes, the penciling in of the beats is the part that wears thin for me, one of the things I catch myself doing while recording is accepting what tracks are available in garageband and dealing with it. I'm thinking they may alter the way I play subconsiously? I think if I put this track away for a few days, I might have the energy to go after it a little bit more on the drums..... thanks again.
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chikoppi said 234 days ago (April 3rd, 2009)
For what its worth
I think this is a terrific mix. I have only a couple of suggestions to offer.

The width of the panning is OK for me. It did, however, seem as though the left channel had more density (more interesting things happening) than the right. You might consider swapping the Rhodes and the rhythm guitar to spread the love as equally wide as the panning.

Panning is one way to create dimension in sound, but EQ is an equally powerful player. By rolling off the tops and bottoms on a track you can move an instrument perceptually into the background while keeping the levels constant. If you do contract the panning you might experiment with high/low pass filters to maintain the strong spatial separation of the voices.

One last note, I found myself wanting a bit more playfulness from the kit. Not necessarily from fills, but more in the way of syncopation. Jazz drummers amaze me with how much character they can add to a piece with just a few well-placed accents. I wouldn't want to upset the excellent laid-back vibe of this song, but at times it seems as though the drummer has become disinterested.

The above comments are admittedly nitpicks born of an attempt to be critical. This is a really great song by any standard!
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
Wow...
Now that you mentioned the density in the one channel over the other, that's all I hear and it's driving me crazy. I can't hear it when the headphones are on but it's really apparent with my bookshelf speakers.

That's the first thing I'm going to fix when I re-open this file (flipping the panning around). I also don't understand the high/low pass filters really. I guess I could do some googling on the web for that info. The drums could definitely have more creativity. I'm going to have to figure something out. Thanks for taking the time to leave such a nice critique.
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chikoppi said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
EQ and Spatial Placement
Sit right next to a guitar amp and you'll hear the full spectrum of sound (from 20Hz to 20kHz). Sit twenty feet away and it will sound different. The extreme high and low ends won't be as prominent. Sit 50 feet away and it will sound different still.

You can use EQ to mimic the same effect in a mix (either high/low pass or high/low shelf can do the trick). By dampening the ends of the EQ spectrum you can make an instrument seem further removed from the listener. Using EQ to as opposed to reverb to create an illusion of distance can help to keep a mix clean and/or centered (reverb can add a lot of clutter and unintended overlapping tones).
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Elevator_Funk said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
wow again....
that makes perfect sense. I had sent ziti a note about getting your rig to sound right when playing live venues and he had the same information about the sound of your instrument related to your distance from the speakers. Now it's starting to click. And I wore myself out on reverb lately because that's basically my live sound and I wanted to get away from that, so this is the perfect solution. Thanks again.
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Relic67 said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
some nice playing
nice guitar playing and tones. I don't have problems with the production values.
agree that a slightly more dynamic drum part would be good. It's hard to do with loops though. There are some loop sets that have more variety than the ones in garageband, but you have to shell out some $$$.
I also think some building in intensity of the guitar soloing (attack, speed etc.) at some point during the song would give it a bit more shape... and for jazz tunes a strong restatement of the original theme is usually a good way to end.
but overall this was much enjoyed. there's not that much jazz on macJams and this one had a cool vibe.
If you're looking for advice on this kind of music, I bet Irbstrat could give some good feedback.


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Elevator_Funk said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
thaks for listening
I think i'll have to noodle around with this one and see if something works out. I haven't really worked out a true melody yet. I had been working on the chord progressions for a while. I think a few more months of noodling will give the guitar solo more character.
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Willywagga said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
Addictive Drums
Could really give your drum track more realism, though I have the plug-in I tend to be lazier in terms of musical perfection. Production wise the sound quality here is amazing, the guitar playing is very tight and professional, though as others have mentioned occasionally the lead comes off a tad cold especially when noodling around single phrases, that I'm saying this about your guitar sound is a bit rich coming from me since my own guitar playing is so awful and hum-drum. You have the breath of playing reminiscent of Stanley Jordan and Louis Stewart.
You are obviously seeking perfection and by the sound of this you are very close to your goal.


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Elevator_Funk said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
thanks ww
I think the general consensus is that if i can make the lead more appealing it will help the song out alot. I haven't listened to Louis Stewart before, I'll have to check him out.
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MarkHolbrook said 234 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
Hey Brian
I love this. I agree with Andy. About the only thing this needs is some rework on the spacial setup. I'll download it and pump it into Logic. Not much I can do as it is pre-panned in the MP3 but let me put some spacial stuff to it and I'll send you a link.


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Elevator_Funk said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
Hey Mark
I downloaded your track and I see what you mean. Thanks for taking the time to put it up for me. This is definitely the part of the mixing process that I am interested in learning. The space and the feeling like the sounds are coming from 'somewhere'. After listening to these tracks, I listened to 'Blue In Green" on Kind of Blue and that has the feeling I'd like, where you kinda feel like you know where the instruments are at on the stage. Thanks again, I'll keep working on it.
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I.G.M. said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
nice one
It`s hard to get a jazzy feel without real players, without the right :o) education, but you`ve done a good job playing just slow ones and play very decent.
overall sound is very good, but groove is a bit static and too lush in my ears.
you might try to give it a more "live" character, a session feel.
it`s not easy, but perhaps some ghost tracks can help?

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Elevator_Funk said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
thanks
yeah, my desire to have something else besides guitars makes this one have a fuller sound, I guess you could say I was pretty determined to get that rhodes into the mix since it usually sits around my house getting dusty. I think in my next verision I should concentrate on playing less and see what happens. Thanks.
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tamadrumbum said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
I love it!
Nice job again Brian!
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Elevator_Funk said 233 days ago (April 4th, 2009)
Thanks Paul
Me and you are gonna have to get your recording setup happening so I can have live drums.
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TERRAPLANE said 233 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
nice
A great jam of classic instruments here though I think I would have enjoyed it more if I could have heard that classic Rhodes in more than one ear. My only suggestion would be to spread the sound around more.
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Elevator_Funk said 232 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
thanks for listening
yes, I've already changed that since the suggestions have been made, it sounds better already. Hope to post the new version later.
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spitlogic said 233 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
Wow man
This is nice. I like the way the instruments are layered here. Very smooth man.
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Elevator_Funk said 232 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
cool
thanks for dropping by and giving a listen.
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bud said 232 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
Listening on laptop - so the full effect is lost
but I really like the overall feel and the playing is excellent. I'm sure it will sound really sweet at home on my system.
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Elevator_Funk said 232 days ago (April 5th, 2009)
Yeah
Thanks for dropping in. My panning is a little too extreme, as you'll find out on nice speakers, but that's why this is version 1.5 instead of 2.0. :)
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Char said 230 days ago (April 7th, 2009)
Don't know
enough to critique. I can say I thoroughly enjoyed the mellow vibe. Thanks.
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Elevator_Funk said 229 days ago (April 9th, 2009)
No critique??
no problem. I already took quite a bit of the advice already and applied it and it made a big difference. Thanks for dropping in for a listen. I appreciate the comment.
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Boundless said 212 days ago (April 26th, 2009)
Good work
I enjoyed this. I'm not that experienced technically, still so much into learning it all - thank goodness I have good ears to compensate - so I'll pass.

The drum, yes, could be souped-up somehow - perhaps to begin with playing around with velocities so some hits suddenly stand out more ? And as far as the guitar is concerned, some made good points already. Learning playing around with the dynamics is a basic thing - and a long learning. And playing with the tempo of course, in and out of it. Especially in a slow piece like this, you're free to move out of the tempo at times - or I'd feel free to do so !

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Elevator_Funk said 211 days ago (April 26th, 2009)
you're right.
i've had a friend over jamming with me and he did a lead track on this file and showed me some different ways to add dynamics, I'm still working on it, and I have a live drum collab i'm slowly working on adding to it.
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blindsidedpoets said 208 days ago (April 29th, 2009)
Arctic Voyage 1.5
Simply amazing. It's all been said before, so let me just add my personal admiration, great job!
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Elevator_Funk said 208 days ago (April 30th, 2009)
Hey thanks.
I appreciate you dropping by for a listen!
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