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If It Rains All Night (w/ziti and jiguma)


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Ed Hannifin

 Genre: Folk-Rock

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I have often been asked by other MacJammers why it is, given our proximity to each other, that Fran (ziti) and I haven’t done a collaboration. The answer to this question, as to so many questions is: it’s my fault. I gave Fran a CD of songs the day we met, I think, and he really wanted to do this one, and he came up with some very cool guitar lines for it. I in turn ended up not thinking that the acoustic guitar, bass and vocal stuff I had done sounded good enough next to what he had come up with. (This, by the way, is how my mind works.) So in 2006 I started working on a better version…. This went into the vast Cavern Of Songs That Ed Is Working On for the requisite three year aging period…. Anyway, earlier this year I got a little time off and I asked Fran if he’d take another crack at it, and he was gracious enough to do so… At about that same time, I reached out to Neil, the sternest critic of my musically procraastinational ways, to see if he’d like to help get some of them done by providing some bass. Over the course of about two weeks he managed to not only turn out bass lines well suited to five songs, but he also provided four of them with drums into the bargain. The past couple days I’ve actually had a little quiet free time in the house, and was able to tidy this one up as best I could. For those who haven't worked with them, Fran and Neil are real gentlemen, and great, great, great to work with, both honest and encouraging.

Ed Hannifin: acoustic six and 12-string guitars, vocals
Fran Dagostino: electric lead, rhythm and slide guitars, photocomposite
Neil Porter: bass and drums

Thank you, Fran and Neil, for your efforts and your patience.
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Lyrics
If It Rains All Night
© 1989 Ed Hannifin

[Intro: one verse]
Am G
The starling’s gone to bed
D Am
He does not care for thunder
Am G
So you and I instead
D Am
Are left to watch and wonder
Am G
And if it rains all night
D Am
Our eyes will open wider
Am G
And if it rains all night
D Am
Our hearts will turn to tigers

This is not any rain
But one that comes a-roaring
Like an angry train
Across the dark sky pouring
And if it rains all night
We’ll have the fire to warm us
And if it rains all night
We’ll let the sound transform us

[Break: one verse]

This is not any sound
But one that brings a healing
Across the mountainside
And through the window stealing
And if it rains all night
The house will slip its moorings
And if it rains all night
You and I will go exploring

[Break: two verses]

The starling’s gone to bed
He does not care for thunder
So you and I instead
Are left to watch and wonder



Song Stats
Hits: 5387
Comments: 107
Fans: 48
Plays: 455
Downloads: 134
Votes: 5
Uploaded: Jul 26, 2009 - 06:37:54 PM
Last Updated: Jul 26, 2009 - 06:58:01 PM Last Played: May 30, 2017 - 07:41:38 AM
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Comments
composerclark said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
!
Wow! This sounds fantastic, and three of my favorite musicians on this site!
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Outdistancing the accustomed favorites...
...ledebutant, jiguma and Feter...composerclark, coming in at the outsides, claims the 'firsties' honors...
composerclark said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
!!
Ok, now that the firsties thing is out of the way...

I like the overall mood — kind of dark, but not in a heavy way... it draws you in very effectively.

I like all the parts, good, clear mix, but I think Fran's solo needs to be more up front... it full of passion, but sounds somewhat muted (although I will confess that I am listening on my laptop speakers, so maybe it would be good to ignore this comment).

This was great to hear, and I really hope you guys do another one, or even a whole album!
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thanks, Clark...
It IS a bit of a dark mood, and a bit of a challenge to not have it turn to sludge...

I think Fran's playing is terrific here, and in my headphones and on my big speakers it has the impact we were looking for... I was terribly afraid that I'd turned him down too far when I did the first mix, and he actually asked me to turn him down a little more...

Fran HAS promised, sort of, to add some acoustic slide to another one that's in the works... Not an album, but at least another song...

I will NEVER, by the way, ignore a comment from you...

Ed
Dadai.2 said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
This is rich

And how great to have Ed singing a new song. I love this guys. Talk about a plush soundscape. Ziti's electric lead, Ed's acoustics, Neil with choice bass & drums. Just great stuff here.

Do we have to wait another year for another Edsong?

Jack
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Glad you like it, Jack...
It was really challenging taking a song as acoustic as this started out, and melding it with as much fire as Fran brought to the party... On a subtler note, I think Neil did an extraordinary job underpinning the acoustics with bass and drums that thump it along...

I didn't post this one until I had at least a decent rough mix of the next one... After that, there are three more in progress and one about to be begun... Plus two long promised collabs...

Ed
WharmtonRise said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Great song
Good tune.. unique electric guitar sound on the right panned solo.

Great work.
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thanks, Andrew....
Fran's guitar work in the right channel is the slide stuff, and I think he got something really close to an Eastern tonality on that... something really special and different...

Thanks for listening...

Ed
magnatone said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
If it Rains
WOOT WOOT WOOT!!! OMG - this is WONDERFUL you guys! I don't know where to start in my superlative gushing. Ed, your vocals are just terrific and the 12 string comes shining through. Fran - sigh - you are just IN this song - or it is IN you - guitars are fabulous! And Neil - bass and drums are perfectly executed! WONDERFUL job you guys - hope we hear much more from this band!
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
This 'woot' of which you speak...
...it is a comment on the music, yes?

I'm really glad you like it, Karen... I thought you'd maybe think it was the kind of song a therapist would come up with... I'm glad you like the vocals, since that's the part I agonize over the most. In fact, I think something is more or less ready to post when I can stand to listen to the vocal...

Fran totally inhabits this song...

And yeah, my little fear is that Neil's subtle rightness on the bass and drums won't get its proper due. I think he did an awesome job...

I love working with these guys...

Ed
sloparts said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
What a beautiful job you guys did here
Three of the best on MacJams get together and the magic begins. It end with this fantastic song. Great playing by all, great lyrics and vox. It just doesn't get any better than this boys.

Love it

Ed
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thanks, Ed...
It's feeling pretty good right now. I continue to be amazed that any sort of synergy can happen over the Internet and over months of time, but somehow or other something good does manage to happen... I'm glad, for myself, that you like the lyrics and vocals...

Thanks for listening...

other Ed
davisamerica said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
guys...
...this is great
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thanks, Jack...
Thanks for the instant listen and comments and stuff on the chat box...

Ed
kassia said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Rain all night
It can certainly rain all night if there's music like this to listen to inside. Incredible songwriting and story telling. I love your voice, Ed. ziti's guitar just kills and neil's additions are perfect. this is very very nice. congrats to all three of you on a brilliant song.
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Hi kassia...
I'm so pleased that you like the songwriting and voice... Those are the parts where I worry about my own contribution a lot... And yes, Fran did this tune proud and Neil did a yeoman job of underpinning everything... I couldn't be happier with how it has turned out....

Thanks for listening...

Ed
sheilad said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
really love
all the coming together of artists on this site. This is no exception.... fabulous work! d/l !!!
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thanks for the comment, Sheila...
I'm with you on that... The possibilities for collaboration and what comes out of them are pretty astounding....

Glad you liked what we came up with....

Ed
Feter said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
If It Rains All Night
A very prolific job ...what best on this is ...
so balanced ...with my little unease on the far
lead at the right speaker ...the vocal so comfy
and tasty ..the bass so solid and supportive to
the drums and the whole sound you could hardly
recognize it ..the acoustic guitars filled the
song like a rippled sea ...nice panning with
the lead ...perfect team work ...I can see the
quality of the song ...this is a true gem and
worth waiting ...more more more ....thnx alot
for sharin such classic !!!!
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Thank you for listening, Feter...
I'm glad you like the balance in the mix... I think you're right that Neil is pretty locked into the drums with his bass, which is good of course since he did both... For myself, I'm glad you like the vocal and the acoustic guitars, of which there are way too many... More than it sounds like, I think... It was a pleasure working with this 'team', and I do hope (and know, actually) that there will be more....

Thanks for such a thoughtful comment...

Ed
Vic Holman said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Just as I was starting to worry about you
yeah, I was wondering if there would be song from you this year.:-)

The wait was worth it though. This song is awesome.

Ed, you did a excellent job on the vocals and the supporting acoustics.

Fran, some very tasty slide and leads.

Neil, really holds down the fort with the bass and drums.

It's nice to know that rain at night turns you into a tiger.

This song really is excellent. Don't make us wait so long for the next one.
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Ed Hannifin said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
I think...
There will be several more this year... 'Cause the next one is 90% done, and after that there are three more that need maybe one element and a mix... and a sixth that I THINK is going to be simple and easy...

I'm glad that you liked it, Vic, after all the wait... After all the attention for 'Progulation', it felt a little weird to be coming back with a song that has word, of all things... This was and is a very satisfying collab, and I'm eager to do it again.... Fran and Neil are so easy to work with, and inspiring, too...

And yes, rain will do that to you. And other things...

Ed
futzpucker said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Nice going, fellas...
If this is what comes of a night of rain, I'm all for it. I think your singing on this is particularly strong and focused, Ed. The mood is set up just right for the lyrics, and we are all brought to the mountainside with you through your vocal.

This is well done in every way. Very enjoyable. I hope this gives you the momentum to get more of these finished and posted.

Well played, Zeets, as always - just right for the song. Nice job of mixing up the guitars (the slide is very cool). And Neil gave you a fine rhythm section to play over, likewise as always. Great collab, gents. I'm well pleased by this.
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Thank you very much, Patrick...
I've gotta say that I really love rain, which is not a really popular viewpoint in New England right about now... We're having a whole late Spring into Summer of rain...

I'm delighted that you like the vocal and that it does what it's supposed to do, which is to take people into the song...

Working with Neil and Fran is awesome... You well pleased is something to aspire to...


gail60 said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
I love this!
Seriously guys, this is GREAT! I love everything about it and you work very well together! Great great song! There is not one thing about this song not to like!
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Not surprisingly...
I LOVE HEARING THIS. Thanks, Gail....
Jim Bouchard said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Very solid, impressive!
This is really well put together. And the songwriting and vocal are really great. Now comes the nit picking that I always do. The recording is a little too dense for my taste. There seems to be an over-indulgence in tracks, where there is a little too much going on, and it's hard to appreciate the good parts because there's just too much good. In other words, I think it needs an editor. You are right to worry that Neil's great bass playing might get lost a bit, because there are too many guitars. It seemed like there must be about 7 or 8 tracks of guitars when perhaps 3 would be plenty. It's sort of like Lynrd Skynrd jamming with 38 Special and The Marshal Tucker Band.
I also thought that ziti's incredible soloing got a little lost in the mix. I wouldn't make it louder, but I'd take down some of the acoustic tracks, really minimize them. I'm not crazy about the sort of plodding drums, and would have liked a more nuanced drum sound to go along with the nuances of the song. Also there doesn't seem to be much in the way of dynamic flow in the arrangement. Hmmm...you might get the impression that I really don't like the song, and even to me, when re-reading what I just wrote, I seem to be a total crank. Gee, I apologize if I come out that way, but I just think that with a few changes this could be really awesome. with a bit of a re-mix. But please, just ignore me.... errrr...why am I writing this? My mouse will surely hesitate over the Post Comment button on this one but...
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Good Lord, Jim...
Now look what you started...

I do think the mix is a little dense, although even today and many listens later I still enjoy it.... I think there's a tension between the song's acoustic beginnings/roots and its very electric incarnation.... I know that I wanted to be a little brave about having the vocal farther up than I would usually do, and I also wanted not to lose the acoustic guitars, although I got rid of most of 'em... Still, what's true is that most of the instruments occupy nearly the same sonic territory... I found myself wishing that I were more skilled at EQ and could carve away some redundant frequencies... I tried that, but didn't like the results I got...

I'll say my usual couple of things about this. One is, if you ever want to take a crack at a remix, you're welcome to do so... I imagine it'll be a different animal entirely... I do want to say that I don't hear Neil's drums as 'plodding', but rather as being in the tradition that I asked him for, which is Kenny Buttrey on 'Harvest'... I think he nailed that sort of sound and feel perfectly...

And beyond that, I'm glad that you put the thought into your comment that you did... You packed a lot of detail into two paragraphs....

Ed
Jim Bouchard said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Thanks for taking this critique so well...
Even though you cut some out, I guess to my ear there's still too many acoustics. One strong one would do, probably rather than a lot of variations on the same basic thing. Then have the electric rhythm, then the electric slide on the right, and the electric lead on the left, it could be as simple as that. When you say Kenny Buttrey I guess I sort of get that, but I think the kit (which is probably the EZ Drummer Pop Rock kit, if I am at all familiar with Neil's way of putting together drum tracks now) is not the right selection of drums. It doesn't have enough life for me. I get the basic sort of thunk that they are supposed to supply, but it's the thwack that I don't care for.

I never quite got that sort of EQ carving thing either which is why I resort to just throwing out tracks or making drastic volume cuts to carve out that space. It's sort of like the song has a dual personality, it doesn't know if it wants to be a mainstream folk song or a mainstream rock song. It is okay to land somewhere in the middle but I think it could be something else altogether, while keeping most of the elements you have here. I wouldn't mind doing a remix, but I am really busy right now and it would be months before I could get to it. I will let you know if some time clears up and if you are interested you could send me the files, or maybe we could just get together over a beer and hash it out! Cheers!
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jiguma said 2889 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
Those drums
Hi Jim - as I'm on the othe side of the world at the moment, I can't help with IDing the drum kit, but as I don't have EZ drummer, it's not that. Something off one of the JamPacks I guess - I tend to use the "Studio Tight" kit a lot, and maybe it's that one. Unfortunately I don't have any reasonable speakers to even listen to it with, so can't comment - however, you are (nearly) always correct with those ears of yours, so no argumant from me.
:) Neil
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MarkHolbrook said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
Absolutely fantastic!
Oh man I've been so waiting for new Ed Tunes... So much going on... This will take many listens to experience it all... Wow... Ed... I'm on the floor bowed in awe... Stunning and amazing...

I will have to listen several more times and maybe then I can give a reasonable comment!
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MarkHolbrook said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
As I listen...
I wish that Fran's work was centered rather than so far left... Just me... I also agree his work was down a little in the mix... Still Ed... stunning... Hitting play for another listen.
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hey there, Mark...
I'm glad you enjoyed it...

Fran and I did discuss the panning, as I think he mentions below.... We ended up with the regular lead guitar in the left channel, the slide in the right, and a bit of his rhythm stuff right up the middle, and then faded up and down to emphasize the main soloing instrument...

Ed
ktb said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
triple play
with this line up. Your voice sounds terrific and the backing tracks are spot on. Your 12 string is the glue here imho :-) A big robust sound.
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hi, John...
I'm glad you gave this a listen. Thanks for the good words about my voice, always a subject of insecurity. Glad you liked the other tracks, too...

Ed
Ibstrat said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
This
could almost be a lost Crosby,Stills,Nash and Young track but with a really good lead guitarist instead of Neil Young (Just kidding but Fran does sound amazing)I remember years ago we were talking about a songwriter who was really famous-I won't say who it was but her 1st name starts with Tra and her last name starts with Chapma.. You half- jokingly said she was pretty good for a beginner.The fact is you are a better songwriter than lots of famous people.If a huge folk-rock revival ever happens you have enough great songs to make another "Deja-vu". And you do it all with no jazz chords!
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
You know...
I can totally imagine you saying what you just wrote... if that makes sense... with the trademark deadpan Stunkel delivery... Despite the fact that you're kidding, I'll take some comfort from being compared to CSNY, at whatever distance... I don't recall the conversation you mention, but it SOUNDS like a Wood & Strings conversation... Thanks for your continued support for me as songwriter (and guitarist). I would be totally cool with remaking 'Deja-Vu'... I'm working on one called "Recently Cut My Hair" that should work really well in that style... I thought I'd seque it into that Joe Pass medley I was working up...

Jazz chords. [Sigh] How did I not learn jazz chords? Ah well. Ceaselessly avoiding practice might have been part of it...

Always good to hear from you...

Ed
thetiler said 2891 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
This is terrific
Really enjoyed the whole spectrum. Everything is so distinct. Like the lead guitar blaring and cool chordal guitar sounds. Very nice steady bass via almost like Neil Young percussion feel. Ed your voice is very in tune. Very fun to listen to. This is one of the best i've heard you do here at MJ with MJer's. But again, how can you go wrong with Z and Jig !
Great pic too ! Like that ending !

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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Thank you, Bill...
I'm glad the mix is coming across to you with everything distinct. And it is a rare and wondrous occasion when my voice is 'very in tune'... You're right about Fran and Neil--they raise the tune up a notch just by joining in... Fran put the picture together....

Ed
ramonaji said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
truly superlative work
and thank you for the download!!!! : )
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
I'm glad you like it, Ramonaji...
...and I'm glad you downloaded it... Enjoy....

Ed
Moviz said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Nice work
putting this great song together; the artwork is perfect for the way you laid in the air of mystery coming from Ziti's beautiful guitar backing. Love your vocals too and Neil's subtle drums and bass are so fitting.... as Bill said, you couldn't go wrong with those two in the line up.... excellent collaboration, regards M
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Yeah, Maurice....
That would be Fran "Man Of Mystery" Dagostino combining the artwork with the guitar playing... You'd think he was a professional...

I continue to be very happy that people are liking the vocal... I tried to put it more 'out there' than I often do in a mix, trying to be a bit braver than usual... And I continue to be very happy with how well Neil undergirded the whole structure....

Thanks for listening...

Ed
jiguma said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Finally!
or "endlich" seeing I´m in Germany.

Loved this one Ed - Fran´s playing is wonderful and you know I love the stuff you did here. The mix worked.

Can´t wait to hear the others.

Cheers,
Neil
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jiguma said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Endlich!
I forgot to thank you for the chance to play on this set of songs Ed. The fact that I get to play with Fran again is an added bonus!
N
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Aw... dang...
I thought you had just called this 'eldritch'... I thought you were going to accuse me of being in thrall to dread Cthulhu... another time, perhaps...

The song whose acronym is 'BOS' is very close to ready to go... With others not far behind... Except that one of us gets obsessive...

Thanks for all you've done on all of 'em, Neil...

Ed
Peter Greenstone said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Trifecta
Excellent work, guys! Three of my favorites. Must feel great to take an old song (1989) and reinvent it years later. I really like it. That full sound, those wailing guitar solos, the dark atmosphere.


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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Ya had ta bring up...
...how old the dang song is, Peter... But, you know, I have a lot of old songs that I really and truly want to see the light of day now that a fool with a computer can make halfway decent home recordings... So... it DOES feel great, actually....

You are one of the kings of dark atmosphere 'round here, good sir, but I'm glad to join the club...

Thanks for dropping in to listen...

Ed
Roxylee said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Wow, you guys
What a musical feast you have laid down for us. Headphones on and turned up. Incredibly good...
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Thank you, Roxylee....
I'm glad you're finding it a feast... Headphones is a good way to hear this one, I think...

Thanks for listening...

Ed
thoddi said 2891 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Great songwriting
You are a great songwriter Ed. This one has your signature like the "good old" recordings I've heard from you. Your songwriting, guitar playing and your singing makes me think that a band I think this could be from really was named: "Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young & Hannifin":)

I think every musician in here does a terrific job as individualists. I have to agree with Jim about the things he mentions though.

To my taste, (and this has to do with taste and my preferences of course) this song would be better off with a less arranged comp. I'd let your acoustic and your voice be the main ingredient, and have a clear defined bass with ditto drum or even just a little perc ensemble instead of a full kit to support you. With a set of background singers it wouldn't really need anymore. There would of course be room for some soloing here and there;)

It isn't always easy to communicate the original idea of a song to other musicians. I have found that true a number of times when I bring one of my songs to my band-mates. It's not always I can tell what it's supposed to sound like myself... but I can always tell when it isn't quite right...

Well, now I really would love to hear this in a more stripped down version:)
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Okay, Thoddi,
...calling me a great songwriter and comparing me/us to CSNY is going to make us friends for life...

It's interesting that you're hearing the 'denseness' of the mix that Jim hears, and your solution is to strip it down to something closer to the acoustic structure, while Jim I think is suggesting coming close to getting rid of the acoustics... Maybe now that I've got a posted and reasonably successful mix, I'll try both of those as alternate mixes, for funsies...plus adding in some alternate panning ideas...

I'd love to hear an acoustic version of this with Anne Cozean doing some background vocals... That would be cool...

In any case, I appreciate your thoughtful commentary...

Ed
drakonis said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
dangers of crocodiles and allegories
What a beautifully haunting song... well aged... but I am glad you got around to popping the cork on this one, and thank you 3 for passing the glass around for the rest of us to enjoy too. I like the provocatively elusive lyrics, leaving me to listen and wonder. Very clear recording, great singing, Neil's bass work is always superb, drums are perfectly supportive. Fran's guitar work is masterful, as always (great artwork too.) But I did find that in headphones, having his slide guitar work suddenly show up way off to the right at the very beginning (and later), then his guitar solo be way off to the left later on, was a little distracting. Since he's dropped way back during your singing, might it be possible to entice him to scoot his chair and play closer to center stage during those passages, perhaps with some chocolate or something? Very very well done, gentlemen! The music seems to give off that static electric ozone-charged aura of excitement during a storm.
ttfn,
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hello dragon....
Well... I've never gotten 'provocatively elusive' before...

I'm glad you found so much to like in this. As to the soloing, essentially Fran takes a long accompanying conventional lead guitar solo in the left channel, and does the same with slide guitar in the right... In the second solo section there's a cross fade from one to the other... As I noted above, now that I've got a mix up and flying I may try some other possibilities as a learning endeavor...

Fran, by the way, can be tempted with a good root beer... And actually, while I was visiting there yesterday, we actually DID have a thunderstorm come through and leave that ozone tang in the air, so your observation is on the money....

Ed
Z293 said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
A little help from
your friends never hurts. Your vocals are so nice and clean and really standout here and of course Fran and Neil add what they do best.
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Thanks, other 'Z'....
I'm glad you listened, and glad that you liked the vocals....

It is pretty good to have help from friends...

Ed
ziti said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
really surprised
that the mix of this tune is getting so much critical assessment....i really love the mix ed came up with. that there are three electric guitar tracks with ed's acoustic, the far right and left placement of the 2 lead guitar voices makes perfect sense to me...just like a real band would set up...each guitar stands out when and where it should to my ears. This mix adds the perfect sense of mystery to ed's evocative (might i say sexy??) lyrics. I dont feel any sense of business or clutter at all...

Sometimes I think the final mix of songs are too subjective to even comment on...other times I feel like comments on the mix can be helpful...sometimes i just think they are wrong.

Ed and I discussed the relative level of my solos...i thought he had the level of the final solo on regular guitar came in too hot...it sits nice to my ears now.

Thanks to ed for writing these songs...his use of chords are a lesson to me that simple is beautiful...chords dont always have to have numbers after them...

I am working on another tune of ed's that i am actually going to be covering in the band (thanks ed!!) . It will be fun to see the 2 versions when they are done.

and as always...jiggie can create a sound all his own with his unique bass style and excellent drum track skills....

glad you all have enjoyed this!!!

best
z


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MarkHolbrook said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Z
I listened on headphones... Perhaps on monitors it wouldn't have seemed quite so lopsided... That is always the trouble with cans... they don't crossfeed very well...

I was not trying to be critical just relating what I heard. Frankly your playing is typically so good that I would have liked to see you take more of center stage both in pan and in volume... that is not downplaying the other folks at all... But a solo is a solo...

One thing about mixes is they are different to everybody. That doesn't make them bad or wrong... Please don't take the comments in a negative fashion.
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Jim Bouchard said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
I'm just a crank!
And I admit it...heehee
Anyway, that even Ed admits there's too many acoustic guitars in a response to Feter's comment above would seem to support my feeling that it's too crowded. This does sound like a band in the arrangement of guitars, but like I said, it sounds like a band with 7 or 8 guitarists. That's just something that I have never been a big fan of. I probably have laid on too many tracks in my time, though so I know how easy it is to fall in love with a track so that I would lose perspective on what was serving the song best.

I don't mind the electric guitar panning, really, but I think when you're soloing, it could stand out more. To that end, I think some of the acoustic tracks could be reduced to ambient level and it would support the song better. But it is all very subjective, and it's really hard to be objective when you've been involved with the mixing back and forth push and pull. That's what the comments here are for, I think, so I try to be critical, yet constructive in my criticism. I think that's one of the best uses for these comments, to point out what works and what doesn't. But it's all subjective, to some degree, of course. That's the beauty of music, there's no absolute right or wrong! I also just listened on headphones, so maybe I'm way off!
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Sexy...lyrics...
Right then. Sorry. Just got my attention snagged for a moment there...

I continue to enjoy this mix, Fran, while also sort of toying in my head with the 'What if?s'... I think we ended up with something dark and electric here, and I really like it.... I continue to love your playing on this, especially the spooky Eastern stuff that you get out of the slide... but heck, I also love the flash fast stuff in the other channel...

And yeah, without being a pest, I'm totally into hearing you put some acoustic slide on the other one, AND I want to hear what it sounds like with a band... THAT will be outrageously cool...

Continued heartfelt thanks...

Ed
Pete_NB said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Wow...
...just 17 hours posted and every point I could think of has already been mentioned in the comments section by others.

Well, it was worth the wait and great to listen to, in my third listen now. I'll have to listen to it with speakers when I get a chance, as Fran's solos sound a little to panned in the head phones (Fran sounds panned in the cans?).

Great work by all though, and stellar song-writing. Best picture for a tune I've seen in a long time to!

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ziti said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
appreciate the comment on the art pete
that is the old north bridge in concord mass...where the revolution started.

z
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hi Pete...
Glad you gave a listen... I hope that you do give a listen over speakers.... Sit in the sweet spot and check it out... On my rig it sounds pretty neat...
Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
I've got to respect your approach, Paddy...
I'm glad that you like the song... You've got some great descriptions packed into that comment... Although I don't think Fran or Neil or I were going for anything 90's, I think you got the heart of the meld we WERE going for, anyway...

Thank you for listening and letting me know what you thought...

Ed
PaddyNavinCaryatid said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hearts turn to tigers
... I've deliberately not read any of the other comments here so I can try and put down what this makes me feel. What an awesome song, the laconic chord structure, the slightly hollow vocal, the withering lead guitar smoking in the background. It's kinda like one of those fantastic Sub Pop 90's bands covering a 70's classic; undoubtedly traditional but with something amazingly modern in the execution.
This is really good work among an already crowded songbook of great quality.
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ziti said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
no offense
is ever taken by fairly delivered critiques. i may disagree, but i take no offense whatsoever.

And you are right...mixes are very subjective...

no harm, no foul at all mark!....and everyone!!!
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
I don't know why...
...by my reply to your comment went up above... go figure....
paul f. page said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Killer...
This is just a killer mix, Ed, and a very fine song, too. I always enjoy the "easy" (read "smooth") presentation of your songs. Just gives a sense of security and makes me feel comfortable. That this is also a collaboration makes it even more remarkable because all of the elements sound so solidly "together". As for "the vast Cavern Of Songs That Ed Is Working On", you'd better get crackin,' buddy. I have no doubt there are other gems just waiting to see the light of day. ... What a pleasure to hear your work. Lyrics: all a metaphor and one filled with hope. This is quite a beautiful poem, Ed. Nice.
Peace.
Paul
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Hi Paul...
...this brings the score, I think, to: Ed 2, Paul 128, since we've known each other. I'm catching up, man...

I'm pleased that you like the mix, Paul, and that it hangs together for you. I think you've got the chops and the ears to hear if we three were coming from different planets...

I'm also happy that you like the lyrics. I seem to recall some English teacher background, or am I mistaken?

Thanks for listening...

Ed
bud said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Really loving this Ed
Everything about it - lyrics - vocals - playing and mix. Excellent collab and just a really fine tune - fine work all around.
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Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
I'm glad you like it, Bud...
I wasn't sure how you'd take to it... I'm glad it worked for you, and on so many levels...Thanks for the listen...

Ed
said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
great
and thank you for sharing on the DL :)

Jim B said a lot that I would have to agree with, and this is a great tune. Would like to have heard Fran's lead guitar bleeding more into the left channel some as it dwells onto the right side and has less body

Nice song, and pleasant vocals as well

. - Harold
Ed Hannifin said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
Harold!
How did I not have you fav'd, man? Thought I did that long ago...

I continue to contemplate alternative mixes, even as we speak. Even though I'll admit to having tired ears right now... I'll admit to liking the panning, personally, probably a relic of listening to CSNY and Allman Brothers and trying to figure out which person is doing what... And of course I was raised on the Beatles, who might've had EVERYTHING in the right channel, and a cowbell in the left...

I'm assuming that DL means that you downloaded it, and I'm pleased to think so... Glad you enjoyed it... Thanks for listening...

Ed
said 2890 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
panning
I guess by "bleeding", it may have seemed to mean panning over from one side to the other - But I guess that what mean is more in the sense of splitting off the channel in a wider stereo kinda way, with the stronger channel where you have it. (how technical of me, my limitations include verbiage and general knowledge ha-ha)

Sorry about the fav thing; you did do that long ago, it's just my own fault for leaving before.

and yes, thanks for the download...

. - Harold
paul f. page said 2890 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
English teacher...
Yup. You got that right, Ed. And, believe me: I parsed every single word of your lyrics and only found 6 run-ons, two comma splices, and a misplaced modifier. That qualifies for an A+ in today's electronic world of acronyms, twitters, and cryptic abbreviations. BTW, I am only kidding. Oh, not about the English teacher gig, but about the solecisms. Your lyrics are unique and they are wonderful.
Paul
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Cori Ander said 2890 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
Wow
Wow! A new Ed-song — and WHAT a song!!!

You already know that I dig your songs a lot. This one is special though. This one I dig DEEPLY (in lack of words, but I trust you hear what I try to convey).

This song radiates that deep warmth and care that is also present in 'Call Home The Day' — which has been my fav of your songs so far and which I never get tired listening to — and to some degree in 'The Kind of Lonely'. That deep warmth-and-care-quality I talk about is something I only find in Ed Hannifin songs. I've never heard it somewhere else. It is a personal unique quality that has something important to GIVE to listeners. It is a sothing, curative quality. I am fully convinced, yes I am sure, that these songs could be used to actually trigger healt into peoples life.

I am trying to understand WHAT in the song is giving this quality. My first spontaneous answer that it comes from your voice, but it can also be in the way you use your voice. And it can be these things, together with the melody and the composition. Maybe one single thing can't be extracted from the rest. Music is a language of soul and it comes out on many inteacting channels in synergy. Sometimes what comes out is sheer beauty, like here.

I so much wish that you'd have more time for producing, and that the commercial music industri be more sensitive to quality, because I think a CD with your songs of this fashion, would make the world a bit better place to live.

Johannes
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jiguma said 2889 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
Curry
I couldn't agree more.
Neil
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Ed Hannifin said 2889 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Wow indeed...
Thanks, Johannes, for a very heartfelt and thoughtful comment. I'm completely pleased that you're still listening to 'Call Home The Day', first of all. I love that song, and I also still love our collab on 'The Kind Of Lonely'.

As for the rest, I'm just really moved that you get that sort of feeling from what I'm doing and trying to do... I can only say that you're right in tune with what I would WISH to do and HOPE to do...

I also have to say that the quality of your comment speaks volumes about the quality of your listening and the quality of the heart that you seem to bring to everything you do...

Thanks as always,

Ed
Cori Ander said 2886 days ago (August 1st, 2009)
yes
"what I would WISH to do and HOPE to do... "

yes; if there is justice in this world, so would be, I pray for that
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VicDiesel said 2889 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Cool song
good writing and singing.

I would have put the electric lead a bit less extreme left, and maybe a tad louder or brighter. It flies a bit under the radar.

Otherwise much enjoyed.
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Ed Hannifin said 2889 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Thanks for the listen, Vic...
I'm naturally pleased that you like the writing and singing... I agree that the left hand lead is less prominent than the right... I may yet have to take another stab at a rebalanced mix...

Ed
jiguma said 2889 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Listened again
Fran, I love what you've done here, sounds great even on the crappy imac speakers.
A real grower this one Ed!
Neil
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Ed Hannifin said 2889 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
What? You're traveling...
...without headphones?!?!

[Sigh]

I'm glad you think it's a 'grower', Neil. That would be a great thing, in my book...

Ed
Macaudion said 2888 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Tens! Imagine...
Yay! It's another wonderfully warm and lovely piece of fine art from Mister Sir, himself! And even hints of darkness too! Never thought I say that about your music. Sorry I couldn't comment when it came out! I was up on a ranch in northern CA painting, whacking weed and hanging chandeliers and disco balls in the middle mother natures most natural setting! Couldn't even have a listen to this or anything else that hinted of a civilized existence. The good new is, it was my birthday weekend and I received my new Grado headphones! Bad news..., for four days! I couldn't listen to them! The good news..., this is the first tune that I get to have as my listen! They're quite the accurate monitoring head tool! As I'm listening, I'm definitely hearing (and feeling) a depth of warmth and realism but at the same time, it's peaking my fears about what I might hear in my own music compared to this... Another conversation... Though, that was kinda, back to bad news... But back to good, you guys and especially, you, Ed..., I'm quite energized with excitement that I'm getting to hear a new one from you! I was gonna say that your vocal work is warming but also, it's sounding more settled in it's own sweet spot! But this is good and gooder because, this means that it may well be the new headset! And gooder, I get to go back to listen to your earlier work and find that this has always been true! I'm sure that this is so...

What doesn't make sense is that Neil's bass sounds quite warm too, but also, it's "densely soft"... Well..., we know those two don't get to coexist so maybe he can work on that... ; ) (Hi Neil!)

I've never mentioned how much I like your acoustic work and that I've been secretly playing around with some of it... Who knows what will surface... With your permission, of course... Nice work on this one, too!

I'm not gonna spout all the positives that I hear in Fran's brilliance cause he hears it all the time and besides, I'm poo pooed that he won't work on a tune with me, so there...

1989!?... Does this say something of how long the wait might be for a certain little ditty!

Nice trio, fellas!

Now, Ed, don't make us wait so long for the next one okay! Music first, reality second! I may see you in Boston this fall, if you're willing! Dion
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Ed Hannifin said 2888 days ago (July 30th, 2009)
Even hints of darkness....
Hi Dion... I'm completely glad that you were able to listen to this. You've got me curious about which Grado phones you've got... I'm honored that we get to be on the maiden voyage...

I'm pleased that you like the vocal on this one. I think I may have done something right in that department this time out... Fran and Neil definitely did the tune proud with their contributions....

I'm glad that you like my acoustic work. Good to hear... I think I'll get back to some more acoustic sounds in a bit...

I DO have a backlog of unrecorded old songs, and I also have some newer things that'll get posted... I WILL keep working away on 'Uno' as I go along...

I THINK that there'll be a little stretch here where there won't be such a length of time between tunes... Cross my fingers....

Thanks for a wonderful, long Dion-style comment...

Ed
mike_d said 2888 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
Excellent tune!
Outstanding collab, and wonderful songwriting, Ed. I never formally said what a pleasure it was to meet you at Fran's show. How nice to have met two of the three excellent musicians on this track! ( I guess I'll have to go way South to meet Neil, hehe!) I took my copy---Thanks!!
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Ed Hannifin said 2888 days ago (July 30th, 2009)
Hi Mike!
Um...you were a little less scary in person...

I'm glad you like what we came up with here, and very pleased you like the songwriting. We all have to do something to coax Neil to drop into the United States on his global wanderings...

I think Fran and I have to found a MacJams hostel or something...

Thanks for listening!

Ed
Boundless said 2888 days ago (July 30th, 2009)
Great song
with fine lyrics and vocals. And Fran's playing and sound is real nice.

Wonderful collab.

Thanks guys !
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Ed Hannifin said 2888 days ago (July 30th, 2009)
Thank you, Bernard....
Glad you like the song. I continue to be pleased with how it all came out...

Thanks for dropping in for a listen...

Ed
SISTERS said 2885 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
mega good
that was really enjoyable, ed. you did a bang up job on the vocal - steady and true. fran's guitar accomplished some hella harmony - with truly tasty patterns swirling in both ears, and never getting in the way of the song with any kinda ego. the mix is big, bold, and fantastically rich. way to go, gents! anne
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ziti said 2884 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
what anne said
makes me feel great!!...thanks...!
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Ed Hannifin said 2884 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
Thank you, Anne...
I'm thrilled to have you liking the vocal. You're right about what Fran did here... That's one of the ten or twelve things I like about him... He can be that good and he actually DOESN'T drive from his ego... I'll also let myself be thrilled that you like the mix, as you're another one who knows how to do a good one...

Do consider that acoustic version....

Ed
ledebutant said 2884 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
I Am SO Lame
I don't even think I can call eightyfifthsies or anything good like that. Lame! I think I should get some credit and a time machine for being somewhat out of practice.

This was especially fun to listen to, not just because a new Ed song, c'mon, that's a gift right there and about as rare as a purple peacock, but I've been listening to you guys individually now for almost five years and I could "hear" each of you so clearly in this song. I can see what Jim's saying about the sonic density (and I am an EQ-carver and it takes some patience and trial and error and I don't recommend it for you, Hannifin, just post your freakin' songs, the last thing you need is more things to perfect and delay the posting of your music, this sounds enjoyable and wonderful and I think you should just enjoy and, er, suck up the wonderful of it...as well as post some more dang songs) This was so clearly a Neil rhythm track, it's ridiculous.

As masterful as all the instruments are, it's your vocal that's the star here, Ed. Loved the doubling, the lyrics are terrific (and therapeutic for me today) and your solo voice has never sounded better to me. Great performance and great recording, as well.


More, please. :)
Ed Hannifin said 2884 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
Yeah, right...
Totally lame-a-zoid... And now hang around here for about, I dunno, five minutes, and watch yourself being forgiven and welcomed and made much of.... Do pay close attention...

I'll have to send you that photo of the peacock in my front yard...

Now then. Next time you visit New England stop over, have an iced tea, and walk me through an EQ carving. I've never been able to get it to sound other than thin or warped or artificial....

I AM putting in a little effort here to get some more songs up this year. I'll race ya. We'll see who's slowest...

Neil DOES have his particular stamp in the rhythm department, and, since I LIKE his stamp, it all works out...

I've gotten a lot of praise on the vocals on this one, so I s'pose I'll keep going back to this one and see what I did. Maybe I'm just getting better at the whole doubling thing. I seem to have a voice that likes doubling. Or that doesn't like 'singling'.

Another is up today, and some more are in the works....

Ed
Ed Hannifin said 2884 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
Oh yeah...and...
...I've missed you. Glad to hear from you....


jiguma said 2882 days ago (August 4th, 2009)
Lisa lives!
:) Great to hear from you Lisa. Now about my backlog ........... ;)

Neil
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Scott Carmichael said 2882 days ago (August 4th, 2009)
Hello Gentlemen...
who is responsible for the mix?... I'll compliment you now and say that It sounds like Neil.... I love the mystery in the lyric and how that thread runs through the piece... Fran's icing is the right punctuation for the atmoshere established here.... your voice sounds great... you need to post more often... I'll come out of the woodwork for this...

one critique... this is asking for a bridge... (2 cents) but I had to say it...

you're a seasoned songwriter
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Ed Hannifin said 2882 days ago (August 4th, 2009)
Hi Scott...
I did the mix, sending versions back and forth to Fran for consideration and suggestions...

Neil COULD have done the mix, and I might've begged him to do it, but he's off globe-trotting, seeing the world, hobnobbing with the international set...and his fellow wizards...

I'm glad you caught up with this one...pleased, also, that you like the run of the lyric...

I am trying my level best to bring a few more into the light of day...

I tend to be a little formulaic in my songwriting, and my usual formula is along the lines of intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-guitar solo-verse-chorus-and-out... This one seemed complete enough to me just kind of rolling out the way it did and so I left it that way... But yeah, that would've been my first impulse, too...

Thanks for the good words on the songwriting... If by 'seasoned', you mean 'old'...

Ed


perceptualvortex said 2878 days ago (August 8th, 2009)
We'll let the sound transform us
Excellent tune, I only wish ziti's guitar was a little louder. The lyrics are great and have an archetypal, haunting feel. And I like the flow of the song--like big swells in the ocean. In fact, it's hard not to feel like I'm on a galleon listening to this. Nice collaboration guys!
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Ed Hannifin said 2872 days ago (August 14th, 2009)
Hi David...
Sometime in the future I may try another mix or two of this.... Getting a good balance with Fran well presented is important...

I'm glad you like the lyrics and the flow...

It's good hearing from you again....

Ed

mikkinylund said 2878 days ago (August 8th, 2009)
Great poetry!
This got to be a hit!
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Ed Hannifin said 2872 days ago (August 14th, 2009)
Thanks, Mikki...
I keep waiting for someone famous to cover one of these and make my fortune....

Thanks for listening...

Ed
selters said 2872 days ago (August 14th, 2009)
The Ed Hannifin EP!
After a very long time without posting songs you now come with three songs in a very short time span. I listened to this several times a couple of weeks ago, but didnt have the time to comment. It is a very good song, and i really like your vocals. The tone in your voice is great on this. All the guitars and the bass are beautifully played, i really like the whole arrangement. The only constructive critisism i have to give, is that I think the mix is a bit crowdy. It draws some attention away from the song itself IMHO. But this is nitpicking! A great song Ed, and a great performance by Ziti and Jiguma. Moving on to the other songs now! Thanks.
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Ed Hannifin said 2872 days ago (August 14th, 2009)
Hi Magnus!
It has been a long time since we've crossed paths... I'm glad when someone with a good singing voice likes what I've done... As noted above, I may yet have to do a revised mix at some point....

It is very good to hear from you...

Ed
blaky smith said 2862 days ago (August 25th, 2009)
Enjoyed!
There is the third tune from you which I discover today by going back up the time ! Excellent, as your two other tunes which I heard these last hours. Talented trio. Bravo you all and thank you Ed, it is a real enjoyment for my ears... Marc
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wordsmithereens said 2524 days ago (July 28th, 2010)
Love that solo
I've listened to this one several times, and every time the guitar solo starts on the L channel, I close my eyes and get shivers up and down my spine. I really have to watch out for that when I'm on the I-5.

Overall, I love the moody mysterious feeling, and the interwoven threads of all the instruments.


snowdragon said 1982 days ago (January 22nd, 2012)
How'd I miss this
the first time around.

Excellent tune guys.

Lotta musical influences evident here with a nice southern-fried feel which hooked me.
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