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SmokeyVW
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From A Ted Talk
Monday, February 19 2018 @ 04:49 PM CST

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.
SmokeyVW
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Monday, February 19 2018 @ 04:49 PM CST

The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.
SmokeyVW
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Monday, February 19 2018 @ 04:49 PM CST

If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later.
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Monday, February 19 2018 @ 04:49 PM CST

We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence; it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can’t predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a POLITICAL revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society.
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 03:50 AM CST

Do we get to choose to keep medical tech advances while rejecting other forms of tech progress? Is our medical tech part of the problem? Increased life expectancy at what cost? Overpopulation? Interested to read about the Luddite revolution.

It's better to regret something you have done, than something you haven't done.
bud
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 03:50 AM CST

Do we get to choose to keep medical tech advances while rejecting other forms of tech progress? Is our medical tech part of the problem? Increased life expectancy at what cost? Overpopulation? Interested to read about the Luddite revolution.

It's better to regret something you have done, than something you haven't done.
SmokeyVW
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 03:43 PM CST

for more from the Ted Talk, see https://tinyurl.com/ybbun98r
 
MikeRobinson
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Re:From A Ted Talk
Wednesday, February 21 2018 @ 11:14 AM CST

I’m not at all sure just what alternative dystopia this speaker is advocating.   I cannot help but notice fine clothing and electrical lighting – as well as an international computer network that brought that vision to the world.   Are these things not the product of the very evil of society that is being spoken against here?