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Break The Loop (LIOLI)



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album: Manic | Depressive
track 1: 3:58 True, Man
track 2: 2:11 The Last Whale
track 3: 6:32 Happenst (col w TydelWave)
track 4: 3:19 Break The Loop
track 5: 5:28 Dream of Snow
track 6: 5:56 Dig Dig, Dig
track 7: 2:34 Small Setback
track 8: 4:57 Clamshell Alliance
track 9: 2:52 despair
track 10: 4:11 Homaridae
track 11: 2:34 Waiting
track 12: 7:40 My Dancing Snowflake
track 13: 2:12 All Through The Universe
track 14: 5:06 And My Toothbrush
track 15: 5:41 Talkoot
track 16: 2:05 Peaceful Sunrise (col w RoxyLee)
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Song Description

This tune is for the 1st Loop It Or Lose It Challenge.

Notes about what I did:

Two new loops are created by manipulating the original loop.

The song opens with the first new loop that is made by chopping up the original loop. The original loop is divided into four pieces. I kept just the second piece and the fourth piece. They are played in the opposite order, three times. Then they are played one more time, but shifted down two half-steps, and I chopped off the last beat.

The creation of the second loop manipulation is a little more complicated. During the first verse, I played the original loop delayed by two beats. There are also background chords, more on that in a moment.

During the second verse, I again play the original loop delayed by two beats. And at the same time, I also mixed in the original undelayed loop, but shifted down 7 half-steps, followed by 5 half-steps.

The "chords" that are formed by this process are also played by other instruments elsewhere: they form the background during verse 1, and verse 3, and they form the basis for the build up to the ending.

To give the loop a fuller sound during the build up, I additionally mixed the original loop shifted the same way again, only an octave higher. This gives it a sort of twelve-string guitar feeling.
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Break The Loop

We've been over this a hundred times
And you just don't seem to get it
I've been waiting here three hours
The kids are tired and hungry

I need to be able to count on you
I never know when you're gonna be here
This just happens over and over and over
I just need to be able to count on you

You're never home anymore
There's always some big emergency
You're always leaving early, and you're always working late
The kids don't even know you any more

Over and over and over

(c)2006 by Bill Grundmann
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Uploaded: Oct 24, 2006 - 07:23:57 PM
Last Updated: Sep 22, 2011 - 08:52:07 AM Last Played: Jun 26, 2019 - 07:14:51 PM
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announcer said 4648 days ago (October 26th, 2006)
Good stuff
Nice work on the vegomatic slice and dice. Good for the song too!
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chikoppi said 4648 days ago (October 26th, 2006)
Clever boy!
Nice processing on the loop! Your reconstructions create a nice groove backed up by a great bass line. Excellent example of creating new musical material by modifying a loop through transposition.

The middle section is really terrific! Not only do the layered loops create a great harmony, but the orchestral ornamentation couldn't be better concieved. Your intstruments and mix sound really good as well. Are those the default Apple instruments? They sound much better than I'm accustomed to hearing.

The lyrics and dry, spoken delivery are classic. Had I heard the music without them I never could have imagined the combination - but it works so well now I can't imagine anything else.

This is a really polished piece that obviously entailed a lot of work. Thanks for investing your time, creativity, and talent in our little challenge!
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Magritte said 4648 days ago (October 26th, 2006)
I like the new loop.
Very neat how you manipulated it. This is a good tutorial for me to learn how to futz with real instrument loops. There's a little Mark Mothersbaugh in here, I think...? Something about the weird bounciness before the darker strings come in. Very enjoyable.
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perceptualvortex said 4648 days ago (October 26th, 2006)
Nice use of the loop, and you know your voice somehow really works with the music like that. At first I was skeptical, but now I really like the overall effect. The assembled music is very nice. Oh, and I was completely shocked when I saw your song art, since I came this close to using that same picture of the sun on my entry (I went a different direction tho). Anyway, great job!
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The Composer said 4648 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
Nice and mournful
Along with the orchestral accompianment this loop is given a great sorrowful atmosphere to it. The lyrics were nicely done too... though for some reason I keep associating the content to a slightly distressed woman than a defeated man... still worked though!

My only real beef is the drums... though I'm always going to have problems with the Garageband drum sets. They just don't fill the space enough and are just out of league with the orchestral and guitar mood. It might have something to rhythms too... but I'm not sure.

Still, great use of the loop. Quite a decent song!
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DeputyDoofy said 4648 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
Another cool entry.
Really enjoyed the "new" loops created from the original.
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said 4648 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
Very nice usage
You built this song up very nicely, I've enjoyed it more on every listen - The strings coming in are very nice touch, great job!

. - harold
drakonis said 4648 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
creepy lyrics
Great work thinking up the new progressions from rearranged loopy-bits, and nice supporting orchestration around it, very pro-sounding. The only thing that got under my skin was the lyrics... they were chillingly well delivered and a little closer to home than I care to feel (that's why my wife and I have exes ;-) In other words... very very well done!
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bud said 4648 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
Classic Smokeyvw
You always have a way of modulating the key and keeping things interesting - a really sophisticated ear for harmony - and this track is no exception. Great work.
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peacepiano said 4647 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
This one is good. I like the lyrics the best!
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mvh9591 said 4647 days ago (October 27th, 2006)
Nice job
This song sure hit home. Sparked a sad memory. Very nicely done Bill. I enjoyed the way you twisted the key loop - Nice sound and interesting lyrics with a sad story. I hope she came around>?

Thanks for sharing and participating in the challenge

mvh : )
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SmokeyVW said 4647 days ago (October 28th, 2006)
to everyone
thanks for all the kind comments! i had lots of fun doing this for the challenge. i'm looking forward to the next one.

although a few commenters got really close, no one actually caught on to why i chose the topic i did for the lyrics: the man and woman are caught in a behavioral loop. i just couldn't resist the pun.

i originally wanted to have a female voice, but that collaboration fell through, so i just kept my original demo voice track. swapping male/female roles adds another dimension i think. (it might have seemed to "whiney" the other way.)
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said 4647 days ago (October 28th, 2006)
This is cool!
Nice job reworking the loop. It's neat to hear all of the different versions of this infamous loop.
datafunk said 4646 days ago (October 29th, 2006)
very cool
nice job smokey, really dig the 70s feeling you gave to the song
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said 4646 days ago (October 29th, 2006)
Puns and Loops
Wow... this one really takes on a dark, ominous sadness as it relentlessly heads for the conclusion so many of us have lived through at least once... And to capture the moment of a broken relationship with a broken loop...!

As other commentators have noted, the spoken delivery works well. Most times I hear this sort of thing, it has the opposite effect - cheesy ramblings that subdue any drama the music might have... but not here. The words are simple and bare, and balanced with gentle touches of orchestrations that really hit the emotional memories.

Great work.
falzaabi said 4643 days ago (November 1st, 2006)
i like the last part......over and over and over

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Schello said 4642 days ago (November 2nd, 2006)
over, a over, over! =)
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alackbass said 2985 days ago (May 16th, 2011)
Break The Loop
The loops all have wonderful melodic and harmonic content. I really like the woodwinds and strings. Choosing to go with a spoken word monologue over the top of it all was inspired!
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dimm witness said 2980 days ago (May 21st, 2011)
this one
makes me cry.
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SmokeyVW said 2980 days ago (May 21st, 2011)
thank you - that means a lot to me
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