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frippertronics: experiment #2

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2nd attempt at getting that frippertonics guitar sound

again, i didn't succeed, but i did get something....maybe a bit closer this time

guitar sounds were realised by using a variety of software distortion and delay plugins - this time a totally different array effects than those used on version one. the sounds mainly came from 'pedalboard' which is an effect in logic pro. the same 4 guitar tracks from version one are used here. the whole output was sent through augustus loop - i think what made a big difference this time was the use of the volume pedal effect on pedalboard to create the swells. also i was more careful about where i placed the fuzz, chorus and echo effects this time and i found i was able to control the feedback from the guitar better....i think this is an important clue to the frippertronic sound

notes from frippertronics #1: There are 2 different guitar tracks which i doubled, making a total of 4 tracks to be effected.

does anyone have any comments on how to get closer to a true frippertronic sound?

also - if anyone wants to use this and future frippertronic experiments in a piece of their own, feel free to - just drop me a note in the comments on here to let me know
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Jim Bouchard said 3077 days ago (August 15th, 2010)
you're right
I don't think it's very successful as frippertronics. I I think I read ages ago somewhere that Fripp used a live tape looping with two reel to reel tape machines . I've gotten a similar sound using my Boss DD-20 Sound-on-Sound setting and playing with an ebow through an overdrive or distortion effect into my amp. But I feel like you have to "play" it, live. I don't think it will sound as organic when you try to simulate it "in the box". I know, there's too many quotation marks there, but I think that's a really important component of Fripp, listening to what is going on in the room. It's sort of Zen.
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particledots said 3077 days ago (August 15th, 2010)
thanks jim
i think you might be right about the playing it live part...actually playing the frippertronics aspect of it like an instrument

i discovered today in my experiments that i think once you have an approximation of 'the sound' and you have got the effects chain in the right order, the key to 'playing it' is a volume pedal...now i wonder, is there such a thing as a midi volume pedal that you could use with the pedalboard effects in logic audio?
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Jim Bouchard said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
midi volume
There's a couple midi foot controllers generally available,I know M-audio and Roland make them, at least. but if you're into tinkering you could make your own: http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/?p=250

The thing that always impressed me about Fripp's frippertronics is the smoothness of it, the lapping like waves that gives it a depth, but then it develops slowly over time. The slow introduction of a new element can be aided aided by the volume pedal. E-bow is sort of a manual volume pedal because you can start a string vibrating really slowly by slowly bringing the magnet closer to the pickup.
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Symphony101 said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
I had listened the previous experiment too, it's true it's closer now. It's the first time I hear about Frippertonics so I'm complete ignorant on this, but overall, I like the sounds, so my comment is just on a general level on the sound. Good luck reaching to the sound you are trying to catch.
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CIASM_ZENABI_ said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
dont know much about the subject but like the sound s your getting. cheers
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ShadowofNine said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Did yu know
Fripp used the synth interface for some of his sounds?

this is interesting in it's own right, to heck with Fripp this is Particletronics...
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ShadowofNine said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
He also uses an 8 channel live sample unit the same one Imogen Heap uses live to build muti track vocals in live performance, I just caught a glimpse of it in his rack, I saw Heap perform recently and it looks like the same gizmo she used, which she was kind enough to let me see..dang cannot remember the brand..
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K.I.S.KISMET said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
wish i was
u'r neighbor:) u could teach me soooo much and we could make all sorts of weird soundscapes together:) love the pic and the music!!

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papag said 3077 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Shazam, presto, abracadabra
You got the mojo on this one! The sounds are sweet...not frippertronics but a solid piece. Fav'd and Dl'd
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Daugrin said 3076 days ago (August 17th, 2010)
Ah, I am wondering...
Besides my question... It maybe helpful if you retuned the guitar in the manner of an English gentleman.
By placing fifths, instead of fourths in the harmony you may get closer to Fripps' colors. Do they make a discipline emulator?

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moorlandt said 3076 days ago (August 17th, 2010)
I'm very
impressed. And inspired.
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magnatone said 3074 days ago (August 18th, 2010)
Experiment #2
Particletonics - fripp should eat his heart out!
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bud said 3065 days ago (August 28th, 2010)
Nice work Bryn - getting closer
can't say I have anything constructive to add to the conversation at the moment - but if anything there might be too much going on to have that Fripp feel where not a lot is happening - but it sounds really cool. That said - this sounds really cool.
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